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Just Le Facts   Horse Rescue Updates

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From: Guest

7/16/08

Anyone else know some of the story of this horse - Monmouth on Friday, $5,000 claiming?

New York post in feb..

February 28, 2008 -- Strange doings in today's fifth race for 16G claimers. Just Le Facts, 9-year-old gelding entered to make 37th start, was eased in both of his last two races; comment in DRF past performances for last start, Jan. 19 at Philly Park, taken from Equibase chart, reads: "Broke down."

Since then, Just Le Facts shows pair of fast workouts over Belmont training track - half-mile in :47.4 Jan. 30, three furlongs in bullet :36 Feb. 16 - for Osvaldo Rojas, his sixth trainer of record in last seven starts. (Oddly enough, those are the only two works listed.) NYRA racing secretary P.J. Campo said that because Just Le Facts worked satisfactorily in presence of track vet, he is eligible to race.

Equibase, alerted to this oddity, has changed comment from "Broke down" to "Pulled up." According to Equibase president Hank Zeitlin: "By definition, a horse that receives a 'broke down' should not be capable of working out or running back again for at least an extended period of time."

Still, how can New York claim to have best racing in world when one of its starters couldn't even make it around the track his last two starts?

Recently Just Le Facts failed to finish two races he was in at Philadelphia Park, both times being eased. Equibase had put Broke Down in the comments, but later changed that to eased after finding out he would be able to run in New York. He worked well enough for New York track vets to let him run on the 28th where he finished dead last in a 16G Claimer. He sported two quick works. Regardless of this, one would have to doubt all involved as to why you would bring him back, a 9-year-old horse on 3 days rest that has obvious physical issues and was recently eased in back to back starts? And then runs last just 3 days ago? Why would a trainer put a horse and a jockey at risk in this situation, and why would the NYRA permit this to happen? Why would a jockey even want to ride this horse considering the circumstances?

And this was in thoroughbredzone.com back in March..

At one time Just Le Facts was a decent claimer and allowance horse at Monmouth Park who won his share of races, a solid campaigner under the care of Dennis Manning at the time. Just Le Facts won the Grade III $100,000 Red Bank on May 23,2003 in an off the turf event in front running style at Monmouth Park. Oddly enough the win was off a 10-month layoff. The Red Bank win was later down graded to a non-graded event. That was 5 years ago. Considering he is a 9 year old who has only raced 37 times. That?s a little over 5 starts per year since racing age. Also indicating physical issues. Since then he has been going downward all the way to New York?s bottom barrel level of 7.5G. Trainer Osvadlo Rojas and the owners Finish Line Farms saw fit to run him on 3 days rest despite all these disturbing facts. Not considering the well being of the horse, jockey and the rest of jockeys and horses in the race.

Needless to say he did cross the finish line, next to last. He ran poorly as expected. The public was also bamboozled here. This is a situation that should not have occurred. The public also is a victim of this poor decision on NYRA?s part to permit this horse to run back on the 3 days rest or maybe to run at all. People did play this horse. The NYRA needs to protect the player as well here. This horse had no reasonable chance to even be competitive in this race. Again why would he be permitted to race? Just Le Facts best days are well behind him. He needs a new home on a farm. He earned his stripes a racehorse in his long career. He deserves better then this. The betting public also deserves better. The NYRA and everyone involved in thoroughbred racing needs to examine this particular situation.”

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betonbill

From: betonbill

7/16/08

Quite a few people have been interested in this horse.  After his last start he "went to the farm."  Several people tried to query his trainer about his status and got "no speak English" or "wrong person."  MaryAinMich seems to be the expert in ferreting out things like this; she might be the one to investigate further.  Many, many people want to see this horse retired and are willing to help. 

Thanks for posting.  Truthfully, I thought he had been sent on a one way trip to Canada, so it's nice to hear that he's alive at least. 

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halfbridled

From: halfbridled

7/16/08

Thought we had lost him for awhile last winter, certainly his past history suggests that the more eyes watching him, the better.

It would be nice if something could be done for this old claimer now that he has resurfaced, who knows if this might be the last chance.

Here is a photo from last year: http://www.flickr.com/photos/excard1970/1131240601/

 

  • Edited 7/16/2008 4:01 pm ET by halfbridled
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betonbill

From: betonbill

7/16/08

There are other people also interested in Just Le Facts:

http://www.whereswillie.com/GetPage.asp?ID=57

Perhaps a group effort is in order. 

 

Guest

From: Guest

7/16/08

last 5 races:
11th beaten 23 plus lengths
7th beaten 10 plus
6th beaten 19
vanned off
eased

I will help in any way i can to get this horse retired somewhere...

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Guest

From: Guest

7/16/08

I left a message with a friend with some strong contacts at Monmouth. I asked if she could tell me if her or her vet knew the horse or trainer, and if they could talk to them about selling him cheap to a good home instead of running him on Friday. We'll see....
jcb88

From: jcb88

7/16/08

Mary,

Do you know anything about this horse?

Fondly,

Jeanne

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Anyone else know some of the story of this horse - Monmouth on Friday, $5,000 claiming?

New York post in feb..

February 28, 2008 -- Strange doings in today's fifth race for 16G claimers. Just Le Facts, 9-year-old gelding entered to make 37th start, was eased in both of his last two races; comment in DRF past performances for last start, Jan. 19 at Philly Park, taken from Equibase chart, reads: "Broke down."

Since then, Just Le Facts shows pair of fast workouts over Belmont training track - half-mile in :47.4 Jan. 30, three furlongs in bullet :36 Feb. 16 - for Osvaldo Rojas, his sixth trainer of record in last seven starts. (Oddly enough, those are the only two works listed.) NYRA racing secretary P.J. Campo said that because Just Le Facts worked satisfactorily in presence of track vet, he is eligible to race.

Equibase, alerted to this oddity, has changed comment from "Broke down" to "Pulled up." According to Equibase president Hank Zeitlin: "By definition, a horse that receives a 'broke down' should not be capable of working out or running back again for at least an extended period of time."

Still, how can New York claim to have best racing in world when one of its starters couldn't even make it around the track his last two starts?

Recently Just Le Facts failed to finish two races he was in at Philadelphia Park, both times being eased. Equibase had put Broke Down in the comments, but later changed that to eased after finding out he would be able to run in New York. He worked well enough for New York track vets to let him run on the 28th where he finished dead last in a 16G Claimer. He sported two quick works. Regardless of this, one would have to doubt all involved as to why you would bring him back, a 9-year-old horse on 3 days rest that has obvious physical issues and was recently eased in back to back starts? And then runs last just 3 days ago? Why would a trainer put a horse and a jockey at risk in this situation, and why would the NYRA permit this to happen? Why would a jockey even want to ride this horse considering the circumstances?

And this was in thoroughbredzone.com back in March..

At one time Just Le Facts was a decent claimer and allowance horse at Monmouth Park who won his share of races, a solid campaigner under the care of Dennis Manning at the time. Just Le Facts won the Grade III $100,000 Red Bank on May 23,2003 in an off the turf event in front running style at Monmouth Park. Oddly enough the win was off a 10-month layoff. The Red Bank win was later down graded to a non-graded event. That was 5 years ago. Considering he is a 9 year old who has only raced 37 times. That?s a little over 5 starts per year since racing age. Also indicating physical issues. Since then he has been going downward all the way to New York?s bottom barrel level of 7.5G. Trainer Osvadlo Rojas and the owners Finish Line Farms saw fit to run him on 3 days rest despite all these disturbing facts. Not considering the well being of the horse, jockey and the rest of jockeys and horses in the race.

Needless to say he did cross the finish line, next to last. He ran poorly as expected. The public was also bamboozled here. This is a situation that should not have occurred. The public also is a victim of this poor decision on NYRA?s part to permit this horse to run back on the 3 days rest or maybe to run at all. People did play this horse. The NYRA needs to protect the player as well here. This horse had no reasonable chance to even be competitive in this race. Again why would he be permitted to race? Just Le Facts best days are well behind him. He needs a new home on a farm. He earned his stripes a racehorse in his long career. He deserves better then this. The betting public also deserves better. The NYRA and everyone involved in thoroughbred racing needs to examine this particular situation.”

 

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