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From: Guest10/7/99 5:47 PM 
To: All  (1 of 13) 
I was just wondering if we could, periodically exchange books that we have read or want to read.

It would be good if we could post some book titles or anything else worth reading regarding Indians/Black Indians.

I'd love to know what other people are reading (when they have time to read:).



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From: Chief Eaglefeather (ChiefEaglefr)10/13/99 8:23 AM 
To: Guest  (2 of 13) 
 84.2 in reply to 84.1 

Great Idea Shelby, lets do that...

if anyone else have suggestions please Post..

and some good books..

Of corse " Black Indians " a hidden heretage by William Loren Katz.. he is also on AoL. and his book Proudly Red and Black.


From: Guest10/18/99 11:59 PM 
To: All  (3 of 13) 
 84.3 in reply to 84.2 

Hello fellow bibliophiles,
I am in the midst of having the experience of coming back to a book and "getting it." When I was a sophomore in college I saw the author of this book speak and she was amazing. I could relate to everything she spoke about and the passages she read from her book. I bought the book read it cover to cover and thought I understood it. To give myself some credit, I did understand it but only on a minimal level. As I re-visit this book years later, I am REALLY getting it. The level upon which I first understood her words has raised a million fold. I'm sure I will re-visit this book again for the rest of my life and I will continue to grow with it.

Now, the book is called "Borderlands/La Frontera:The New Mestiza" by Gloria Anzaldua. Maybe you have read this particular work or other works by this author, but this book is incredible. I can't describe it with justice, so I'd like to share with you one of my favorite poems from the book.

>>To live in the Borderlands means you

are neither hispana india negra espanola
ni gabacha(white), eres mestiza, mulata, half-breed
caught in the crossfire between camps
while carrying all five races on your back
not knowing which side to turn to,run from;

To live in the Borderlands means knowing
that the india in you, betrayed for 500 years
is no longer speaking to you,
that the mexicanas call you rajetas(split),
that denying the Anglo inside you
is as bad as having denied the Indian or Black;

Cuando vives en la frontera(when you live in the border)
people walk through you, the wind steals your voice,
you're a burra,buey,scapegoat,
forerunner of a new race,
half and half-both woman and man, neither-
a new gender;

To live in the Borderlands means to
put chile in borscht,
eat whole wheat tortillas,
speak Tex-Mex with a Brooklyn accent;
be stopped by la migra at the border checkpoints;

Living in the Borderlands means you fight hard to
resist the gold elixir beckoning from the bottle,
the pull of the gun barrel,
the rope crushing the hollow of your throat;

In the Borderlands
you are a battleground
where enemies are kin to each other;
you are at home a stranger,
the border disputes have been settled
the volley of shots have shattered the truce
you are wounded, lost in action
dead, fighting back;

To live in the Borderlands means
the mill with the razor white teeth wants to shred off
your olive-red skin, crush out the kernel, your heart
pound you pinch you roll you out
smelling like white bread but dead;

To survive in the Borderlands
you must live sin fronteras(w/out borders)
be a crossroads.>>
-G. Anzaldua


From: Omoya (omoya1)10/19/99 3:44 PM 
To: Guest  (4 of 13) 
 84.4 in reply to 84.3 
Borderlands, since we live literally in them, has always been one of the most popular and beloved books in our various curricula. Living where I do, where both the philosophy and the geography bear witness to Gloria's words is a blessing I've never really been able to describe to other. Though she's being partly metaphorical, living here has shown me that this particular area of America has a history that strips the "American dream" bare, and shows that even if the "Emperor" has no clothes...the folks who have always lived here are richly adorned, in more ways than a few. For that, I will always be grateful. The advertising and media whizzes back East don't have a clue, and the rest of the world is poorer for it. If I had a wish for everyone, it would be that everyone in America get to come out here for a short visit--and then LEAVE (even some bumper stickers say: "Welcome to Arizona--now go home!")

From: Guest10/19/99 11:24 PM 
To: Omoya (omoya1)  (5 of 13) 
 84.5 in reply to 84.4 
I had a feeling her work would be well known out west. She is hardly known in the East beyond certain circles. Your post reminded me of a travel show I watched on PBS lat night. The show was about New Mexico and this Native family was traveling around all these tourist sites around NM. Then they would have little cut-aways to info about the people who live in NM. They even went out to Taos Pueblo and spoke with a tribal leader.
The thing that was so distressing to me about NM was the very thing I thought was so great about it-the artists. It seems like there is a glut of "boutique culture." There was also this photographer taking pictures in this abandoned mining town running around with a feather talking about the mystic spiritual pull of NM. That set off my "oh brother meter" good.

Any as I run away from my point, it just seemed strange. I see why those AZ stickers say "now leave." LOL! I am certain that the experience of the landscape out there is deep, but this lady and her feather got on my last one. It like the new age manifest destiny mafia. Now that I think about it, Borderlands is kind of a good companion to Almanac of the Dead. It deals with those issues of borderlands and spiritual/physical boundaries.



From: Omoya (omoya1)10/20/99 10:36 AM 
To: Guest  (6 of 13) 
 84.6 in reply to 84.5 
You must steer clear of the "beaten paths," and even the PBS versions of the unbeaten paths. I never go near Santa Fe, Sedona,Taos or any of the other big draws except for the enclaves of real Native people or friends who live in their own little worlds there. But that's no big deal. Because there are so few people out here, still, there are VAST spaces no tourist would even WANT to visit, even if they could. That's where Creator is so very much alive and well, in the deep rez of the Hopi, Navajo, O'Odham, Apaches...In the tiny towns where the cultures have mixed into a delicious menudo...Almanac of the Dead is about city life--and though I adore that book, and give her props for finally seeing the connection between the African spirituality my grandparents practiced, and the Native spirituality still practiced (and that my Black Creek grandparents added to the African) it's only one woman's view of a city I live in, too. All around it, as big as the mountains, is Spirit Magnified. To miss that, well...My friends who've been out here know what I mean. Anyway, once you're used to these highways, it's easy to avoid the traps. And once you've learned this desert...Well, I'm a Chicago girl by birth, but I couldn't go back there for more than two weeks on pain of death. BIG skies, wide open roads. I step out of my house, which is nestled up against one of those mountains, look at the sunrise, and know Something it is not possible to feel anywhere else. Am I in love with the land here? How COULD you tell? The land has loved me better than a man, in some ways. And us Border folks can get strangely passionate about that subject...

From: Guest10/20/99 4:52 PM 
To: Omoya (omoya1)  (7 of 13) 
 84.7 in reply to 84.6 
I too noticed the connections she made African and Native spirituality. I'm still learning about the Yoruba religion. I know a bit of it through santeria. My good friend's fiance has a grandpa who is a santero. I actually met and spoke with a man who is an important Yoruba spiritual leader. I cannot remember his name for the life of me though. I had an interesting experience trying to learn about the religion, but that's another story.

Do you mind sharing where I can read some of your articles on AZ? I know you mentioned that you wrote some articles in another post.

Thank you for always sharing your valuable insight. :)



From: Omoya (omoya1)10/20/99 9:26 PM 
To: Guest  (8 of 13) 
 84.8 in reply to 84.7 
The best one you can get on the Arizona Daily Star Star Net archives, IF they'll let you in...It's called On Ancient Mesas, and it was a huge (almost the whole Sunday features section) guide to Hopi, as I lived the experience, and as a tourist should approach it. You may have to be a subscriber to Star Net to get one, though. If you can find another site that searches newspapers--I'm told there is one--you might be able to find it there. I haven't tried looking in AGES...

From: Guest10/23/99 11:56 PM 
To: All  (9 of 13) 
 84.9 in reply to 84.8 
I stumbled across the following books while doing some research in the library today. The first is called "The Lies My Teacher Told Me" written by a college Sociology professor. I have only read a few pages, but it really gets at the heart of what is wrong with the way history continues to be taught in schools. The author's name is Loewen.

The second book is called "We Are Still Here!:The Algonquin Peoples of Long Island Today." The author is John A. Strong.
This book is great, I am about 20 pages in right now. (In case you're wondering I usually read three books at a time, but not all at once! LOL)

The last book, a friend has been telling me to read for a while now, but I am just getting to it. It is called "The Sweeter the Juice" by Shirlee Taylor Hazlip. It is old by now so most of you may have all ready read it. So far the book is great at showing how ridiculous racial categories are in this country. She also discusses her Native roots in the book.

The only good thing about my daily commute is that it affords me 2 hours totally devoted to reading each day! Now that we have Firetalk, maybe we can hold proper book club meetings every few months or so.
Can anyone tell I love too read? ;) LOL!!!


PS-Omoya, I found your article but of course, like you said, I couldn't access it. Hopefully I can get it through my library.

Edited 10/23/99 11:59:34 PM ET by SHELBY45

From: Omoya (omoya1)10/24/99 5:27 PM 
To: Guest  (10 of 13) 
 84.10 in reply to 84.9 
You know, the easiest route to that article might indeed be your library--can't they make copies from microfiche or something? IN fact, as I recall, our library could get the whole article, if you knew what paper, and what the date was--it the date popped up, when you searched, you're in biz...Let me know. I have copies, but I want to download one, and save it, for uses like this!

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