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Started by Russo (Railbird87); 9998 views.
LCsquall

From: LCsquall

5/5/08

Thanks for your comments Railbird--I couldn't agree more!  I have sent my condolences to the Eight Belles team-I can't imagine what despair and sadness they must be feeling to lose their pride & joy of the barn.

She DID belong in the Derby-she put 18 colts to shame exhibiting her talent!  Just looking at her made me smile...she will be missed, but never forgotten.

Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

Amen, I am questioning everything right now, should she have been there since she has never been with the boys, should she not have tried so hard which she is trained to do, is the the owners, trainers, jockey, who?  The owners put her there, the trainer helped her get there, and the jockey rode her there, who is to blame here, god, right now I feel like all of them are to blame, I just don't know, I am so confused and have all kinds of mixed emotions about this.
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Dawnstar4

From: Dawnstar4

5/5/08

TY,

I so understand. So many comments, questions, as there should be. But all are civil, thankfuly. We do agee to disagree.

It is all also a part of the Barbaro Effect...Barbaro's Legacy. Thankfully. Now maybe, with Eight Belles, not all will be "swept under the rug," after some time passes. This was/is big. There are now thousands of articles about her.

Here is another:

I think it is a good synopsis of the whole picture.

USA Today:

http://usatoday.com/sports/horses/2008-05-04-eight-belles-cover_N.htm

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Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

enjoyed your soap box speech and your example was a good one.

Other factors were she had never trained or run with the boys, had never run that far, was not a GR1 and many other reasons.

It is obvious by what happened that she was not up to the rigors of such a race and should not have been entered.  Someone said that she must have been up to it since she came in second, NOT, it cost her, her life to come in second which is not exceptable in my books. The first 3 place winners are not expected to die for the honor of winning in the "Great Kentucky Derby" and the good ole boys club.

Karen Macmanus

Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

Thanks for the article, I feel this way because of a lot of things, I was taking a nap during the races before the Oaks and the news person woke me up with those words of Matz's horse being injured, that was heart breaking, thinking about Barbaro all over again which obviously I am still not recovered from.  I didn't cry as much as I did with Eight Belles, maybe it is because I saw her laying there, I knew that if she was laying there that is not good.  I have never seen a race where a horse actually got euthanized on the track before; this is the first time, I cried for hours just like I did with Barbaro, with him there was a chance after the race ended, with her she was gone.  This is probably why I am confused, upset and mad all at the same time.
Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

Railbird87

A horse is never in the right place when it costs it, it's life.  In my opinion.  You don't think she broke down do to the many stress factors that the race brought on???  How could you not??  The actual stress of running the race is what caused her eventual death( her legs to break causing her to be put down.  Why do you think they have the Kentucky Oaks ? That is a worthy race for filly's and the horses do not know one race from the other, all they know is that they were trained to run against other horses ( and of course some of this comes natually) but it is the owners and trainers who want the ultimate ego satisfaction when they do what they did to Eight Belles.   She had never run a race that long, she was not a G-1 horse and she had never raced against boys. 

Her legs did not break going into the shoots, they broke after the tremendous stress put on them by the race.  She was born to run, but not to go beyond her limits and that is where her humans come in.  And her trainer had already made some noise about not being completely happy about her Kentucky Derby entry.  If she had a different starting gate (like Big Brown) they would have pulled her, they left her in because of the good position.  How is that for a reason to have your horse run in the Derby?  Not good enough for me!!!!!  

My heart goes out to Eight Belles, she was a beautiful, talented filly and deserved much better than this.  I will not feel sorry for her conections.  They retired Rags to Riches because she was not the same after her race, I read she had a hair line fracture.

Karen Macmanus   

    

colette995

From: colette995

5/5/08

Railbird, I will join you in sending condolences to Eight Belles connections. I know they are heartbroken. I, too, experienced such heartbreak & it was with utter disbelief that I witnessed it happen. I don't know if you have read my post of the other night when I told the story of my filly, at just 1 1/2 yrs. old, breaking down in the same way as Eight Belles. I saw what happened since I was watching her as I stood in the pasture at the water trough waiting for it to fill. My filly, Two Socks, (I called her Socks) loved to run & run as fast as she could. She was the happiest little horse who would race around the pasture for the sheer joy of it. At the end of her run, she would prance over to me nickering. God, I loved her. I was there for her birth & I was there at her death. The day of the accident, as she raced across the pasture & was nearing a patch of woods, a group of deer came out of the woods. Socks startled & tried to pull up too quickly. She was shortening her stride , trying to slow down too quickly & her body's momentum kept going forward. She buckled at both "ankles" & went down, breaking both of her front legs. My vet explained about her momentum going forward as she was shortening her stride under herself. He likened it to suddenly putting on the brakes in your car while driving 50 miles an hour. The momentum of the car would force your body forward as the wheels are attempting to stop the car. He also said that it is a freak accident that one may never see again. As soon as I saw what happened to Eight Belles, especially so far past the finish line, I immediately thought of Socks.  The vet, Dr. Bramlege, also said he had never seen anything like that happen before. She did not break down during the race & finished with her ears up. Those of us who own horses know that that is an extremely good indicator of how a horse is feeling. She was fine as she crossed the finish line. It is not fair to blame Eight Belles connections. She did belong in that race. She proved that by coming in a very clear 2nd. I wish others would not dishonor her magnificent accomplishment by saying she didn't belong. Freak accidents happen. Who should be blamed for my Socks's same breakdown? Should I have kept her locked up in her stall, so she couldn't run? I think all would agree that would have been cruel.

 Over the past 24 yrs, my husband & I have owned a horse farm &  three we got as just retired off the track TB's. When we got them, we thought they would love being out in the pasture with the other mares. We thought wrong. Two of the three were miserable & spent their days pacing up & down the fence line of the pasture. They became disinterested & depressed. They stopped eating with the gusto they did when they first came to us. When they saw us, they would crane their necks looking at us as if to say, are you coming for us, now? The rest of our mares would go about their business of grazing, playing, etc. My husband discovered that if he took them out for a ride every few days & let them have their head, they would run like the wind. I think they thought theywere still working & then they were happy. Occasionally, we took them out together & the competition between them was something. Neither one wanted to give up the lead to the other. We didn't do that too often because I was worried about coming off & getting hurt. I don't have any connection with a race track. But, I do know horses. They are their happiest when they have a job. They love to run & are competitive. So, did we do them a favor thinking they would be happy retired, spending their days in a pasture with the other mares? The answer is no. They would have been perfectly content to continue racing. Their behavior clearly showed us that.

 Eight Belles clearly, from all I had seen of her on TV, was a very happy horse. She was well loved. She proved she belonged. Then...just as with Socks, a freak accident. To start casting blame does nothing but further hurt those who are already devastated. I hurt for Eight Belles, I hurt for her connections & I hurt for my filly, Socks. I know what that devastation & utter disbelief feels like.

 Colette

Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

right to be there, it cost her, her life.  How many times would you tune in to watch the Kentucky Derby if the 1st, 2nd & 3rd place horses broke legs upon the completion of the race?  For what ever the reason was.  This is happening to much to many horses.  And it should not be tolerated by the viewing public.  

The mark of a successful race is to start by entering the shoots alive and to run the race including the gallop around and end the race alive ( for both horse and jockey).

Karen Macmanus   

  

Guest

From: Guest

5/5/08

I also agree with Karen, the horse was made to run in a race she did not belong simply for common sense. It is all about making history, the first filly since when 1988?? When will everyone stop and think of these beautiful creatures, from the start of racings time it has stayed the same. Not enough changes to make a difference. I thank the person who posted the address for writing to the owners of Eight Belles but I am afraid that if I were to write it would not be what they want to hear, so I will refrain.
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whitney23187

From: whitney23187

5/5/08

am sure you know whereof you speak and for me--i don't care who her owners/trainer are/is today...had my own opinions before the race but i will let that be dealt with by all those on the track like you and others in the know---

i am just deeply saddened and know those who loved her(whether the right way or not but loved her) have to be heartbroken..........

  • Edited 5/5/2008 3:48 pm ET by whitney23187
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