Polls -  Can a person be reasoned out of relig... (189 views)
 
From: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostSep-7 7:06 AM 
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 70.1 
Can a person be reasoned out of religious faith?
Yes
No
 

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From: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostSep-7 7:13 AM 
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 70.2 in reply to 70.1 

To quote Dr. House, "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people."

Personally, I'm not that sure which is why I voted "Yes" I think that it is possible if you can first get them to understand what faith means.

 

 

 
From: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member IconSep-11 9:12 PM 
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 70.3 in reply to 70.2 

I also voted "Yes."

Of course, I believe the opposite is also true.  A person can be reasoned into religious faith.

 

Sasha

O Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Hell: Once full of captives - now staffed by volunteers.

Christ didn't write a book.  He founded the Church.  I know what the Scriptures say because I know what the Church says.

Protestants debating doctrine are like feral cats fighting over a plastic fish.

 
 

 
From: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostSep-12 9:36 AM 
To: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (4 of 12) 
 70.4 in reply to 70.3 

 

Sasha (AlexAnatole) said...

I believe the opposite is also true.  A person can be reasoned into religious faith.

Excellent point Sasha. Faith is a totally different epistemological system of knowledge  than reason. Both systems represent filters that our minds impose on our perceptions of sensations we get from the senses and to which we react. The freedom to choose our reactions to what we perceive is always influenced by the filters that we choose to use.  Of course real liberation comes from choosing unfiltered perceptions so that we are free react to what "really is" instead of what we "think is."

 

  • Edited September 12, 2017 9:47 am  by  CoachDonSul
 

 
From: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member IconSep-12 10:14 AM 
To: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (5 of 12) 
 70.5 in reply to 70.4 

Some insist that faith and reason are mutually exclusive, but that is not so.  All of our thinking incorporates assumptions which cannot be validated.  I assume that you exist.  I assume that I exist.  I assume that the world is not just a dream.  I cannot prove these assumptions, nut I can make choices based on them and consistent with them.  The basic "if A, then B" arguments work in theology just as well as they work in physics.  Based on the most fundamental assumptions, certain conclusions are valid, certain conclusions are invalid, and certain conclusions are undefinable.  Good theology starts with what is revealed, draws valid conclusions, and stops.  No different than physics.

 

Sasha

O Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Hell: Once full of captives - now staffed by volunteers.

Christ didn't write a book.  He founded the Church.  I know what the Scriptures say because I know what the Church says.

Protestants debating doctrine are like feral cats fighting over a plastic fish.

 
 

 
From: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostSep-12 12:42 PM 
To: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (6 of 12) 
 70.6 in reply to 70.5 

Sasha (AlexAnatole) said...

All of our thinking incorporates assumptions which cannot be validated.

Your world view, theology, and philosophy are Western.  Eastern thought, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. come from a different set of assumptions and they reach conclusions which are just as valid.  Science, reason and logic, has pretty much co-opted Western philosophy, theology and psychology and is working to do the same to Eastern traditions or at least working to integrate them. 
 

 

 
From: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member IconSep-12 1:32 PM 
To: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (7 of 12) 
 70.7 in reply to 70.6 

They call us Eastern Orthodox for a reason.  We have no need to integrate logic, philosophy, and science for the simple reason that we were never estranged from them.

 

 

Sasha

O Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner.

Hell: Once full of captives - now staffed by volunteers.

Christ didn't write a book.  He founded the Church.  I know what the Scriptures say because I know what the Church says.

Protestants debating doctrine are like feral cats fighting over a plastic fish.

 
  • Edited September 12, 2017 1:35 pm  by  Sasha (AlexAnatole)
 

 
From: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Posted by hostSep-12 2:39 PM 
To: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (8 of 12) 
 70.8 in reply to 70.7 
There was a time that I enveied people who could manage to be happy living in both those teams in some integrated fashion, but gave it up. Hopefully that freedom will continue to exist in this deeply divided country of ours.
 

 
From: HWPeeler (HPeeler) DelphiPlus Member IconSep-14 2:13 PM 
To: CoachDonSul DelphiPlus Member Icon Poll  (9 of 12) 
 70.9 in reply to 70.1 

 

I went with yes. The forums have many examples of people who have changed religions. From one religion to another or to or from atheism. Yes, many may be as Dr. House suggests, but there are many types of people and religion is such a broad topic with no certain outcomes. .

A scientific subject can be resolved to a more certain solution. Not so with religions. Religious views can be questioned and tested and found to be wrong. They can't be found to be true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I went with yes.

 

 
From: HWPeeler (HPeeler) DelphiPlus Member IconSep-14 2:21 PM 
To: Sasha (AlexAnatole) DelphiPlus Member Icon unread Poll  (10 of 12) 
 70.10 in reply to 70.3 

Sasha (AlexAnatole) said...

A person can be reasoned into religious faith.

I agree with that. Having spent most of my life as an atheist in my later years I refined my thoughts to realize it was the bible I did not believe in, not a god. A poorly reasoned path I admit. We can not be certain of things we can't even define. 

 

 

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