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Ear Cropping and Tail Docking   Pet Talk

Started 5/25/18 by PennyCC; 1590 views.
PennyCC

From: PennyCC

5/31/18

There is a frame of mind in the US that certain breeds should look certain ways and it is built into the national clubs of breeds like poodles that require tail docking if you want to show the dog. Other countries are doing away with ear cropping and tail docking, although some sport breeds are getting exemptions because a shorter tail is safer in some hunting circumstances.

These cosmetic determinations, which in the case of poodle has eliminated multicolored poodles from acceptable conformations for dog shows, are completely arbitrary but have been in effect for so long, I do not know if they will ever change.  If a dog breed is not being shown, then people can do with the dog whatever they want, which means allowing the ears to be uncropped in breeds like Great Danes and not docking tails in other breeds like poodles.

The downside to not breeding to a certain conformation is that health tests are sometimes thrown out the window along with breeding to a certain standard of appearance. Then you get dogs bred without much consideration to health at the same time.

My poodle breeder bred for health and dog performance competitions and she does not show the dogs from all her litters. The buyers of her poodles requested that she not dock the tails or remove dew claws. Thus far, my poodle has been in excellent health when previously I lost a miniature poodle at 4 years because he had epilepsy. So health trumps arbitrary show conformation in my book.

  • Edited May 31, 2018 11:46 am  by  PennyCC

Health should always trump all else IMO

Yes epilepsy is known to run in several breeds genetically and as in humans can also pop up for no known reason (I have the latter variety and it is controlled on meds but that does not mean it is easy to live with) 

dachshunds, dalmations and smaller poodles were among the most frequently cited with genetic epilepsy and it should be a red flag to a breeder but not all breeders are aware of this

Mrini786

From: Mrini786

6/1/18

Well,this banned in India too. Earlier Dobbermann and Rottweiler commonly underwent through tail docking. But after the stricter rules it almost rare to see breeds with docked tails. So stricter rules I guess is teh answer.

  • Edited June 1, 2018 10:27 am  by  PennyCC

i wish no one had ever thought of doing things like this as a cosmetic improvement. Dogs are often at their prettiest when they feel their best.

How can they always feel their best when people mutilate them?

You are prob right about the stricter rules.

DShadowZ

From: DShadowZ

6/6/18

I think its unnecessary as well. But I am a Belgian Sheepdog fancier so I really guess I have no horse in this race.

Penny I think Dakota is beautiful the way he is.

i don't really have a dog in this race myself either because i am mainly a cats person. But i am against mutilating an animal for any perceived appearance or convenience of owners.
I am against declawing of cats, too.

PennyCC

From: PennyCC

6/7/18

I am sorry to say that I had one cat declawed when she was tearing up the apartment that we were living in. I was stupid and young but blame myself for being ignorant on how to handle her misbehaving and I also blame the vet who told me that it was no big deal as long as the cat was kept inside. This cat later started biting people because I am sure she felt defenseless without her nails. I am totally against this practice and wish that vets would council people to consult animal trainers or behaviorist instead of offering surgery to handle cats scratching up doors, walls, and furniture.

yes they used to say it was a common and normal surgery, but we  now know it is an amputation and many if not most declawed cats have more issues with biting and more litter box problems than non declawed cats.
the shelter i work for will terminate an adoption if they find a potential adopter plans to declaw a cat, although we will allow people who want them to adopt a cat we have that has already been declawed.
We generally do behavioral consults and we counsel new adopters to provide cats with scratching posts and have the claws trimmed regularly to prevent issues like "tearing up the apartment"

which has caused some returns of otherwise healthy and well adjusted cats.

Fewer veterinarians are offering this service as an ordinary service, and in some states and in most European countries it is now illegal.

ClickNTreat

From: ClickNTreat

6/10/18

I'm going to come out as pro tail docking. Before you get out the pitchforks, and run me out of town, here me out.

Certain breeds were never meant to have long tails, and the weimaraner is one of them. Weimaraners have a long and very thin whip like tail. They can break their tails easily. As hunting dogs, they need to be able to be in the field hitting bushes and brambles without snapping their tails. Our neighbor's dalmatian, who had a tail similar to an undocked weimaraner, broke her tail on a coffee table. It was excruciating for the dog.

Puppies do not have fully functional nervous systems at birth. They cannot hear, and cannot see, and it is quite possible they cannot experience pain, certainly not at the same level as an adult dog. Many puppies sleep through having their tails docked. Veronica did not sleep through her broken tail. She screamed in agony. It was heartbreaking. She was wagging, happy to see everybody, and bang, broke her tail. And that was a dalmatian, not a traditionally docked breed like weimaraners, viszlas, pointers, etc. Their natural tails are longer and even more whip like than a dalmatian's tail. Having seen first hand what a broken tail looks like, and feels like to an adult dog, if I ever get a weimaraner again, I'll make sure it's a docked tail. 

I believe ear cropping is cruel and pointless. Ditto with declawing. But, having seen what a broken tail looks like, I'm pro tail docking on traditionally docked dogs. It's not cosmetic and it really does serve a purpose.

no pitchforks. Thank you for presenting a side to this i have not heard before.

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