The Gaon of Vilna (d. 1797) cannot be the inventor of and religious champion of Zionism as you claim - his never published works didn't even reach Palestine, they turned up in 1945 when the Russians found them. Nothing on his views ever appeared in print until an abstruse religious book in 1985. His sole real claim to fame is a hatred of Hasidics and his failure to stop them taking over in Lithuania. His beliefs are said to be Messianic, as may mean he sought to recognise Jesus as a prophet or may mean something else entirely.

The  above is the utter  unsubstantiated rubbish the poster  has created , there is nothing but unmitigated bile from the man  . The idiot is so far detached from factual religious history as to be almost a nazis in his utterings - apparently the Gaon may have recognised Jesus (that one takes the biscuit)

bm

I agree. He doesn't know what he is talking about. So what's new?

Neturei Karta are 'certain' that the Gaon wasn't a Zionist. The 'messianic' bit comes from the TTJ.

We both know what he is reading, what is interesting is that he does not want to reveal his sources because he know from there it is down hill faster than usual .

He will be back telling us about Good Jews next (you know the Team that went to Iran for the Holocaust Conference duh and then duly got themselves excommunicated from the Jewish World , bleeding idiots they are and more important they are living here in Israel ranting and raving their nuts off)

BM

And I still have to return to his terrorism post.

get stuck in there , no time to waste , he will be back soon from the King Cole

bml00 said: the cut and pastes have been used umpteen times by the poster

Proven to be either inaccurate inappropriate or absolutely noting to do with nothing well referenced in nearly all cases (even my claim that it was the Zionists campaigning that "Jews cannot be Germans"!!!!!) and 100% true in many of them.

FIFY - fixed it for you.

Which of my claims are definitely 100% true but still angrily denied by the numb-nuts?

One of them for very sure - Kurt Becher was a top Jew-robbing Nazi and organizer of the Holocaust. (Also believed to have been in the Einzatsgruppen and caught VD from rape in Poland).

Meanwhile, Adwil's angry defense of the man renders him one of the most evil people you'll ever see in cyber-space.

BerrySteph said:

Kurt Becher was a top Jew-robbing Nazi and organizer of the Holocaust. (Also believed to have been in the Einzatsgruppen and caught VD from rape in Poland).

Oh dear! FOUR lies in two sentences! What a great achievement. The only correct statement is that Becher did catch  VD but the source isn't known. Probably a lady of the night. Not unusual for a soldier.

The rest is nonsense.

The stupid sod cant help himself , he must lay there and make it up as he goes along

BM

BerrySteph said:

organizer of the Holocaust.

When was the Holocaust organised?

Becher was an Untersturmbahnfuhrer in 1941. In 1942, he was promoted to Obersturmbahnfuhrer.

"Brigade staff Structure of the SS Cavalry Brigade in Belorussia (July – August, 1941)

Brigade staff
SS-Standartenführer Hermann Fegelein
(commander)
SS-Hauptsturmführer Christian Reinhardt
(1st staff officer, deputy commander)
SS-Untersturmführer Kurt Becher
(aide-de-camp)"

So from Second Lieutenant to Lieutenant. You must realise how ridiculous  you are when you allege this lowly Lieutenant organised the Holocaust. 

adwil said:

Your quotes are usually problematic because they're not specific. You state a source, but need to quote page and paragraph if possible.

You're such an utter waste of time - my posts are (perhaps boringly) detailed and replete with such references.

adwil said:

You also need to make clear your real source when you present an apparent quote, that you've gleaned from another writer, especially when they are not historians. The most recent example was a Google link that seemed to be a quote about Deborah Lipstadt. Following your link took me to a Norman Finklestein book that you didn't reference as your source. The problem about Finklestein is that he's a polemicist, a political activist, not an historian.  ".....and from pro-Zionist sources." That makes them far less believable because the source is 'political'.

You're a lying toad who needs to fukk off - Finkelstein is pro-Zionist.

While Deborah Lipstadt has clearly stated (if only on the cover of her only famous book "Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory"?) that:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

A statement that I now find 300 times in Google.

A statement that is patently untrue - six million is not the number of deaths in the camps. She seems to have about doubled the real figure:

Total death in camps is at least 2,848,000. Auschwitz complex 1 million, Treblinka 2 925,000, Belzec: 434,508, Sobibor: at least 167,000, Chelmno: 156,000–172,000, other facilities that the Germans designated as concentration camps: at least 150,000. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Its not a very important falsehood - but why be so sloppy about a number that others are jailed for disputing?

I'd also question whether any Deniers claim that a "Zionist conspiracy" is to blame - most of the antisemitic are supportive of Israel, not critics of it!

I've listed numerous other bizarre things that she's said and you're being very stupid denying them.

adwil said: Most modern historians are scrupulously accurate and present carefully referenced evidence.  

Do they? Where did this come from:

... 7. There are many problems with Irving's account of the April, 1933 boycott ... many Jews had suffered in a variety of ways. Immediately after the elections on 5 March 1933 there were violent anti-Jewish disturbances in Berlin.[20. U. Adam, Judenpolitik im Dritten Reich (Düsseldorf, 1972), p.47/] On 9 March 1933, the SA seized dozens of East European Jews in Berlin and took them off to concentration camps.[21. S. Freidländer; Nazi Germany and the Jews (London, 1977), Vol. I, p.18.] Among the first German Jews to die in Berlin were Dr. Ascher and the journalist Leo Krell, killed on 16 March.[22. K. Drobisch, 'Die Judenreferate des Geheimen Staatspolizeiamtes und des Sicherheitsdienstes der SS 1933 bis 1939', Jahrbuch für Antisemitismusforschung, Vol. 2 (1939), pp.230-54, here p.230.] Those attacked included American Jews who happened to be in Berlin. One of them, Herman Roseman, was kicked by an SA man on the street on 10 March and then the 'SA man continued to attack me, struck me in the face, wounded me in the eye and continued to do me bodily harm', he reported the following day.

What eminent and careful "historian" spoke those words in court and where are they now? They used to be here - http://www.hdot.org/en/trial/defense/evans/540d.html - and the web-site itself is still live. Why has that entire opening statement disapppeared?

adwil said:

 I've already got it coming from the leader of the Zionists in March 1933 " Could you give me your source?  

You're such a time-waster - I've accepted that that quote from a passionate Zionist is only partial evidence - on looking a it again it actually says "Blumenfeld stepped forward on behalf of the Zionists, declaring that the German Zionist Federation was uniquely capable of conferring with Jewish leaders in other countries, since German Zionists were affiliated with a worldwide organization.[20. Martin Rosenbluth, "Go Forth and Serve; Early Tears and Public Life" (New York: Herzl, 1961), p.250-54] Once uttered, the words forever changed the relationship between the Nazis and the Zionists. It was suddenly clear that the Jewish group the Reich had been ignoring was, in fact, the one it should be negotiating with in its efforts to combat the Jewish presence in Germany. After all, both Nazis and Zionists agreed that Jews did not belong in Germany." Black, the Transfer Agreement p.38.

adwil said:

Helmut Kallmann, a Holocaust survivor whose family were murdered by the Nazis, wrote "German Jewish liberals in my childhood considered themselves German by nationality and ethnicity, Jewish by religion. Along came the Nazis and said: "Once a Jew, always a Jew" and the Jews cannot be Germans."  He points out that some Zionists agreed with that statement, which is the inevitable reaction, I suppose, but he appears to be in no doubt that the statement originated with the Nazis.  Mapping Canada's Music: Selected Writings of Helmut Kallmann By Helmut Kallmann Chapter 16. The Matter of Identity. (Third page of chapter. No page numbers.)

Your twisting of the evidence is much more serious than anything I'm guilty of above. 

One victim who "appears to be in no doubt that the statement originated with the Nazis" is not evidence - whereas my quote is real evidence that the top German Zionist said something of this kind directly to Goering. (

adwil said:

"I'm not interested in the Jews, except as examples of people victimised by the Nazis - and by the Zionists. My motivation is to learn the lessons of WW1 and WW2 and try to see that nothing like that happens again." No doubt you think this is a praiseworthy objective but it betrays your political prejudices. You place Nazi and Zionist in the same category. That is: Nazis=Zionists.  They don't.

I can prove that:

a) the Zionists are very guilty of the major crime