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Harry and Meghan - who gives a crap?   The U.K and Europe

Started 1/13/20 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 24575 views.
adwil

From: adwil

3/14/21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

"Yet, the exact same family bears no responsibility for the treatment of her son?"

I really don't know what you're talking about. Be specific. I can't see any similarity between Charles/Diana and Harry/Meghan. 

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/16/21

adwil said:

"Official" apologies by a country or organisation or entity that participated in an historical wrong are not 'silly'.

Then why did you say the calls for the Queen's apology into her family's involvement in slavery silly?  The monarchy is an institution.

adwil said:

To me 'apology' is about responsibility for an act personally committed or committed by an entity that existed then and still exists today. I cannot apologise for someone else though I may criticise and regret their actions.

This was a common misconception during the debate over whether the Australian government should apologise for the Stolen Generation.

If I were to tell you my grandmother died, your first response would be to say "I'm sorry".  Why?  Did you kill her?  Or are you simply expressing the sentiment of regret and empathy.

As a member of an institution that participated in race based atrocities in the past, don't you have an obligation to acknowledge that past?  By owning it, and stepping up to say what happened was wrong and regrettable is an important step towards closure for those still affected, and social reform going forward for all.

The Australian Government did it, the Monarchy needs to do it.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/16/21

adwil said:

It's far too early to know if she was denied help.

In other words, you say she is lying when she said HR could not get her help because she was not a paid employee of the company?

That's an oddly specific lie to make.

adwil said:

You are entitled to your opinion as he is entitled to his.

Baseless claims that someone who says they were ignored when crying out for help is lying is hurtful.  Your rights to your opinion end when that opinion hurts another person.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/16/21

You said the Royal Family are responsible for the damage done to Diana.

But when Harry says the Royal Family failed him, he can just take his half-cast wife and fuck off?

adwil

From: adwil

3/16/21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

"As a member of an institution that participated in race based atrocities in the past, don't you have an obligation to acknowledge that past? "

“The appalling atrocity of the slave trade, and the unimaginable suffering it caused, left an indelible stain on the history of our world.”

“While Britain can be proud that it later led the way in the abolition of this shameful trade, we have a shared responsibility to ensure that the abject horror of slavery is never forgotten,”

Prince Charles on an official visit representing the Queen in Ghana in 2018.

adwil

From: adwil

3/16/21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

<<It's far too early to know if she was denied help.>>

 "In other words, you say she is lying when she said HR could not get her help because she was not a paid employee of the company?"

Her story doesn't make sense.

Why did she go to HR (if she did) because it was the wrong place to go and her husband would have known that. She should have consulted the medical staff who deal with the Royal Family. William, Kate and Harry have all been in therapy so Harry could have pointed her in the right direction or even asked his therapist to see Meghan. Why didn't that happen?

"Baseless claims that someone who says they were ignored when crying out for help is lying is hurtful. "

I suppose it also makes sense for Meghan to criticise the HR Dept in advance of their investigation into staff complaints about Meghan's bullying.

adwil

From: adwil

3/16/21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

"when Harry says the Royal Family failed him, he can just take his half-cast wife and fuck off?" 

Meghan and Harry have left the Royal family. That's their decision not the Royal Family's decision.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/19/21

adwil said:

“The appalling atrocity of the slave trade, and the unimaginable suffering it caused, left an indelible stain on the history of our world.” “While Britain can be proud that it later led the way in the abolition of this shameful trade, we have a shared responsibility to ensure that the abject horror of slavery is never forgotten,” Prince Charles on an official visit representing the Queen in Ghana in 2018

Angry royals take Kate's topless photo battle to court - CNN

William and Kate, 2012

adwil

From: adwil

3/19/21

No problem with that. When in someone else's country, you obey the protocols.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

3/19/21

adwil said:

Why did she go to HR (if she did)

Nice little jab, reminding everyone she's a filthy liar.  She went to Human Resources because she was at a loss as to where else to go.  It was a last resort.

adwil said:

She should have consulted the medical staff who deal with the Royal Family.

There is one doctor in Buckingham Palace and the queen has her own medical team.  There is not a team of medical staff on standby for the entire Royal Family.  Her first chance of getting help was through "the Institution".

She didn't disclose who this person was, or their title.

"I went to the institution. And I said that I needed to go somewhere to get help," she said.

"I said, I never felt this way before and I need to go somewhere.  I was told that I couldn't. That it wouldn't be good for the institution."

She said it was after that conversation that she went to human resources asking for assistance, with no luck.

"I remember this conversation like it was yesterday, because they said, 'my heart goes out to you because I see how bad it is. But there's nothing we can do to protect you because you're not a paid employee of the institution'," she said.

"This wasn't a choice. This was emails and begging for help, saying very specifically, 'I am concerned for my mental welfare'.

"And people going, 'yes, yes, it's disproportionately terrible to what we see out there to anyone else', but nothing was ever done."


Answer this question, please.  What is in it for Meghan to lie?  What does she have to gain, vs everything she is losing, not to mention all the hate being piled on her from all over the world.  Why would she deliberately subject herself to this backlash if it were all a lie, and she was perfectly fine and happy being a member of the Royal Family?

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