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JUST OPEN UP EVERYTHING. Let us all make our own choices.
The problem with that is you will have many houses divided on the issue. Somebody young and healthy can go out, get COVID, recover easily, but kill their grandmother who lives in the granny flat out the back of the family home.
Also, the more the virus is free to thrive, the more variants emerge and soon one will be resistant to the vaccine.
Stores and private businesses can issue their own protocols (or not)
Without a government mandate the poor business owners and workers will be the ones left to enforce it, spending the better part of their day arguing with Karens.
Texas' governor is reckless and stupid and threatening to undo all the hard work of the scientists who gave the world these vaccines.
I HAVE been in lock-down for over a year...I M one of those vulnerable people who must B extra careful.
There is no reason why Everyone should ever have been in lock-down. None. Making matters worse R Dr. Fauci and the CDC muddying up the waters every time they open their mouths.
Florida is open and has been for many months. Lots of cases and actually not so many fatalities. The vulnerable among us (I M one) must follow common sense of course.
Those who refuse to get vaccinated will continue to B a thorn in the entire vaccine program I think. Anti-vaxers...a real nuisance.
TO deal with anti vaxxers you need to introduce ( as here in Israel) a Green Passport which is on Your phone and is from the Government Health Ministry , it gives all the details about us and is shown as you enter an establishment , if you cant show such a thing then it is currently at the discretion of the person in charge if they are admitted but coming very shortly will be a ban on such decision making because the Government will rightly insist that unless you can show vaccination you cannot enter an area which will have Vaccinated people and is for all purposes sterile , they wont be allowed into the airport or on planes
That's the way I see it . . .
And in the event someone will try to bring up 'religious exemption' (given a discussion elsewhere) . . . when it comes to public health - far as I am concerned there should be no exemption period . . .
I totally agree with you!
Thank ya . . .
And I say that even as a Christian - public health has precedent . . .
We APPEAR here in Israel to be getting over the Covid epidemic , life like buds are sprouting everywhere and it is likely due to the fact that the majority (not sure the figures) are now double vaccinated , this vaccination appears on our phones and when we are asked (not all the time) we show them the details and if they want to check further we all have bar coded details .
If a person is not vaccinated simply because they are bloody minded that is ok by me but they should not get into a mall or a shop or a bar etc there has to be a price for being obstinate as far as the Religious are concerned most of them have been or will be vaccinated as the realization that the Almighty was not going to help those that wont help themselves
For the few that have reasons which are legitimate not to be vaccinated I dont have an answer for them other than the possibility that they will have to have regular covid tests (which take about a second and over here involves sticking a long bud up your nose most of the way into your brain - sure focuses the mind)
I think the vaccine was developed using stem cells, and that is where the religious objection comes in.
But the Pope referred to it as "morally unobjectionable", or something to that effect, so hopefully that will work.
Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:
I think the vaccine was developed using stem cells, and that is where the religious objection comes in. But the Pope referred to it as "morally unobjectionable", or something to that effect, so hopefully that will work.
Neither Pfizer or Moderna vaccines contain stem cells or fetal cell lines in production vaccine, i.e. the vaccine that is actually put into your arm. Fetal cell lines, thousands of generations distant from the original fetal cells they came from, were used in the proving process, but are not present in the production vaccines. The fetal cell lines originated from two fetuses aborted in the Netherlands in the early '70's.
"Were the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines developed using fetal cell lines? The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna do not require the use of any fetal cell cultures in order to manufacture (produce) the vaccine. Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for “proof of concept” (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) or to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
The following is a link to a Reuters article: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-the-ingredients-listed-in-these-posts-idUSKBN2AQ2SW