Confused malcontents swilling Chardonnay while awaiting the Zombie Apocalypse.
5878 messages in 172 discussions
Latest 8/8/21 by Jenifer (Zarknorph)
17252 messages in 763 discussions
Latest Jan-18 by OSarge (mahjong54)
Latest Jan-5 by OSarge (mahjong54)
4890 messages in 209 discussions
Latest Jan-2 by OSarge (mahjong54)
That's the way I see it . . .
And in the event someone will try to bring up 'religious exemption' (given a discussion elsewhere) . . . when it comes to public health - far as I am concerned there should be no exemption period . . .
I totally agree with you!
Thank ya . . .
And I say that even as a Christian - public health has precedent . . .
We APPEAR here in Israel to be getting over the Covid epidemic , life like buds are sprouting everywhere and it is likely due to the fact that the majority (not sure the figures) are now double vaccinated , this vaccination appears on our phones and when we are asked (not all the time) we show them the details and if they want to check further we all have bar coded details .
If a person is not vaccinated simply because they are bloody minded that is ok by me but they should not get into a mall or a shop or a bar etc there has to be a price for being obstinate as far as the Religious are concerned most of them have been or will be vaccinated as the realization that the Almighty was not going to help those that wont help themselves
For the few that have reasons which are legitimate not to be vaccinated I dont have an answer for them other than the possibility that they will have to have regular covid tests (which take about a second and over here involves sticking a long bud up your nose most of the way into your brain - sure focuses the mind)
I think the vaccine was developed using stem cells, and that is where the religious objection comes in.
But the Pope referred to it as "morally unobjectionable", or something to that effect, so hopefully that will work.
Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:
I think the vaccine was developed using stem cells, and that is where the religious objection comes in. But the Pope referred to it as "morally unobjectionable", or something to that effect, so hopefully that will work.
Neither Pfizer or Moderna vaccines contain stem cells or fetal cell lines in production vaccine, i.e. the vaccine that is actually put into your arm. Fetal cell lines, thousands of generations distant from the original fetal cells they came from, were used in the proving process, but are not present in the production vaccines. The fetal cell lines originated from two fetuses aborted in the Netherlands in the early '70's.
"Were the Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines developed using fetal cell lines? The mRNA COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna do not require the use of any fetal cell cultures in order to manufacture (produce) the vaccine. Early in the development of mRNA vaccine technology, fetal cells were used for “proof of concept” (to demonstrate how a cell could take up mRNA and produce the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein) or to characterize the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were found to be ethically uncontroversial by the pro-life policy organization the Charlotte Lozier Institute. Further, the Secretariat of Pro-Life Activities, a committee within the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, has stated: “neither Pfizer nor Moderna used an abortion-derived cell line in the development or production of the vaccine. However, such a cell line was used to test the efficacy of both vaccines. Thus, while neither vaccine is completely free from any use of abortion-derived cell lines, in these two cases the use is very remote from the initial evil of the abortion…one may receive any of the clinically recommended vaccines in good conscience with the assurance that reception of such vaccines does not involve immoral cooperation in abortion.”
The following is a link to a Reuters article: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-vaccine-ingredients/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-the-ingredients-listed-in-these-posts-idUSKBN2AQ2SW
Far as myself is concerned there is only one reason not to get it - medical health reason contraindicates taking it . . . however, that doesn't absolve them from having to take the established protocols to avoid being a vector, etc. . . .
There is only 1 of them that was developed somewhat in that fashion . . . Moderna & Phizer weren't . . . but even then none of them use any fetal tissue in and of itself . . .
Good article . . . thank ya . . .