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Berry's Hijack High Jinks   Vent Your Spleen!

Started 5/6/20 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 4515 views.
SQUADDYB

From: SQUADDYB

5/15/20

It is a sore subject with her!

I, of course, like to get her wound up at every given opportunity - it lightens the day!:>)

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/16/20

I have freely admitted it is for personal curiosity.

Of course, the alternative is to simply lay down the rules of the forum, specifically the no hijacking rule - one that is very common among all Delphi forums - and delete Berry's hijack attempts on sight.

At least by moving them here I am not guilty of censorship.

I got sick of having to change the name of a discussion to "Derailed Thread".

Now anyone who wishes to continue conversing with Berry can do so without destroying the original topic.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/16/20

From "A bit of UK Culture"


Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

It would be "uncomfortable" for any regular museum visitor within earshot of the group.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-absolves-hitler-of-guilt-1.5411578
Netanyahu speaking before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, October 21, 2015.AFP

Hardly - we don't just blame national groups (as you've repeatedly done in here to the Chinese) the more the group has been victimised already, the more we're keen to pile on the obloquy.

Then we lie and deny about it, as Adwil just did above. You might know how disgusting are the Zionists on every subject - this one might be a shocker to you.

But Adwil can hardly pretend he doesn't know about mainstream Zionism!

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews

Oct 21, 2015 ... Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Tuesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.

In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."

Netanyahu's remarks were quick to spark a social media storm, though Netanyahu made a similar claim during a Knesset speech in 2012, where he described the Husseini as "one of the leading architects" of the final solution.

The claim that Husseini was the one to initiate the extermination of European Jewry had been suggested by a number of historians at the fringes of Holocaust research, but was rejected by most accepted scholars.

The argument concerning Husseini's role was recently mentioned in a book by Barry Rubin and Wolfgang G. Schwanitz, "Nazis, Islamists, and the Making of the Modern Middle East." The authors, like Netanyahu, draw a straight line between the mufti's support of Hitler and the policy of the Palestinian Liberation Organization under Yasser Arafat.

But even these two researchers do not claim that the dialogue described by Netanyahu ever took place. They say Hitler reached the conclusion to exterminate the Jews because of his desire to nurture Husseini, who opposed the transfer of Jews to pre-state Israel. 

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/16/20

"Indian and Chinese Troops engaged in fisticuffs"


Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Why do you trip over yourself in an attempt to suck the cocks of the worst people to ever live on the planet? 

The terrorism that has devastated the Middle East is very, very clearly down to us.

Syria was (should still be) a legitimate state that had never aggressed its neighbours - the crimes that triggered both WW1 and WW2 and will trigger WW3.

Syria protected minorities (which supported Assad and still do), girls went to school, alcohol was sold to visitors. 

At least some of the accusations made against it concerning gas attacks are plainly false. (And come from Zionists who are again blaming the victims as we shoot their children).

Afghanistan had an airline with air-hostesses, along with all the other benefits of a stable government on good terms with its neighbours (Russia and China, fragile countries terrified of terrorism themselves).

There had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until we introduced them. 

Tell us about these "Moderate Zionists" who don't believe its right to target and kill children and medics and journalists and the disabled.

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/16/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

There had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until we introduced them.

You really shouldn't make broad, sweeping statements like this in the world of Google.


The first bombing



On 13 March 1881, Ignaty Grinevitsky watched as his accomplice threw a small bomb at the convoy of Tsar Alexander II outside the Winter Palace in St Petersburg. Safely enclosed in a carriage made from bullet-proof material as a gift from Napoleon III, the Tsar stepped out, dazed but unhurt.

Grinevitsky saw his chance.

The young man, a member of The People’s Will left-wing terrorist group, rushed towards his target, dropping a bomb at the Tsar’s feet killing them both.

The night before the attack Grinevitsky had written: ‘I shall not live one day, one hour in the bright season of our triumphs, but I believe that with my death I shall do all that it is my duty to do.’

And in that deadly act, Grinevitsky was to make his mark on history: the first recorded suicide bomber.


This means, by your own logic, RUSSIA are responsible for any and all suicide bombings that happened in Iraq.

Because it's not like the people who actually carry out the attack are in any way responsible.

adwil

From: adwil

5/16/20

Jenifer, there's no point because Berry doesn't listen. His list of atrocities he alleges were first committed by Jews/Zionists is utter nonsense. I've refuted them, with evidence, but he continues to make the assertion.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/16/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

There had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until we introduced them. You really shouldn't make broad, sweeping statements like this in the world of Google.

Its entirely true.

There had never been a suicide bombing in Iraq until the US introduced them.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/16/20

adwil said:

Jenifer, there's no point because Berry doesn't listen. His list of atrocities he alleges were first committed by Jews/Zionists is utter nonsense. I've refuted them, with evidence, but he continues to make the assertion.

You're a liar and a bad one. I can't now remember the one correction you made - had I said "first in the world" when I meant "first in the Middle East"?

Here's the list again - if there are any faults in there then I'm sorry and I'll correct them.

* Bombs in Cafes: first used by Zionists in Palestine on March 17th, 1937 in Jaffa. (and/or 1938 - Y. 'Amrami, A. Melitz, "History of the War of Independence", Shelach Press, 1951. An unreformed terrorist admirer boasts of it in Hebrew and is cited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_operations
* Bombs on Buses: first used by Zionists in Palestine Aug. 20th-Sep. 26, 1937 (or twice in 1938 listed Ibid.)
* Drive-by shootings with automatic weapons: IZL and LHI in 1937-38 and 1947-48 (Morris, Righteous Victims, p681.)
* Bombs in Market Places: first used by Zionists on July 6th, 1938 in Haifa. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks + 4 more)
* Bombing of a passenger Ship: first used by the Zionists in Haifa on 25 November 1940, killing over 200 of their own fellows. (ie 5 times more than any Palestinian ever)
* Bombing of Hotels: first used by Zionists on July 22nd, 1946 in Jerusalem (Menachem Begin went on to become Prime Minister of Israel).
* Suitcase bombing: first used by Zionists on October 1st, 1946 against British Embassy in Rome.
* Mining of Ambulances: First used by Zionists on October 31st, 1946 in Petah Tikvah
* Car-bomb: first used by Zionists against British near Jaffa 5 December 1946.
* Letter Bombs: first used by Zionists in June 1947 against members of the British government, 20 of them.
* Parcel Bomb: first used by Zionists against British in London 3 September 1947.
* Reprisal murder of hostages: first used by Zionists against the British in Netanya area on 29 July 1947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sergeants_affair
* Truck-bombs: first used by Zionists 4th Jan 1948 in the centre of Jaffa, kill 26.
* Aircraft hijacking: world-first by Israeli jets 12th Dec 1954 on a Syrian civilian airliner (random seizure of hostages to recover 5 spies) https://www.nytimes.com/1954/12/13/archives/syrian-airliner-seized-by-israel-plane-l0-aboard-is-forced-down.html - this is 14 years before any Palestinian.

The only form of violent terrorism not introduced into Palestine by the Zionists was suicide bombing, a tactic used almost entirely by people fighting occupation of their "homeland" - think 1000s of Japanese 1945, 100s of Tamils and 38 Lebanese in the 80s - most of the latter being motivated by socialist/communist, not Islam - see http://amconmag.com/article/2005/jul/18/00017/

* Biological Warfare - pathogens used by Zionists in 1948, prior to the seizure of Acre, putting typhus into the water supply. Uri Mileshtin, top Israeli military historian, was quoted by Sarah Laybobis-Dar in the Israeli daily, Hadashot on Aug 13 1993, saying that bacteria was used to poison the wells of every village emptied of its Arab inhabitants. She had interviewed a number of Israelis with knowledge of the use of bacteriological weapons in 1948. Also mentioned by the Iraqi Zionist [[Naeim Giladi]].

* Chemical Warfare - nerve gas very likely used by Zionists in Feb/March 2001 in at least 8 attacks in Khan Younis and Gharbi refugee camps (Gaza) and the town of Al-Bireh (West Bank). See [http://www.pchrgaza.org/files/W_report/English/15-02-2001.htm Weekly Report on Israeli Human Rights Violations in the Occupied Palestinian Territories], February 8-14, 2001. [http://www.mediamonitors.net/jamesbrooks2.html#VII MediaMonitors, the Israeli poison gas attacks]. [http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=1056 Response to criticism of "Gaza Strip"], [http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.php?action=detail&video_id=10229&browse=0 FSTV Interview with James Longley], [http://www.freespeech.org/videodb/index.php?action=detail&video_id=10229&browse=0 Clips from the film "Gaza Strip"], Dr. Helen Bruzau of Medecins Sans Frontieres describes symptoms (French, with sub-titles) starting at 5mins 55secs.

* Nuclear threats - made by Zionists eg 2003: "We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen, before Israel goes under." - Remarks of Martin Van Creveld, a professor of military history at Israel's Hebrew University, 1st Feb 2003.

And, if you think only Muslims need worry, then try and find again this web-site http://www.masada2000.org/sharepain.html - "Israel Has Nuclear Weapons and MUST Use Them and All Those Arming the Arabs Must Share the Pain!". Comes with cute music.

Masada2000 was a California-based website created and maintained by people from the United States, Israel, Brazil, and Switzerland. 

adwil

From: adwil

5/16/20

BerrySteph said:

had I said "first in the world" when I meant "first in the Middle East"?

World was your original statement.

But it isn't even true of the Middle East. For example: nerve gas was used on the Kurds during the Anfal Campaign. It was used by Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War. Both earlier than your allegation of Israeli use.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

5/17/20

the problem is that in your assumed role you should be impartial so your personal curiosity itself, along with this post is a sample of hijacking on your part, a thing with which you are commonly guilty.

If Berry choses to respond to a topic, you are hijacking his post by moving it, and thus keeping others who don´t agree with you from reading what he has to say before you hijack it. This is supposed to be a forum, and your concept of censorship has no place in it.

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