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Speaking of credibality why do you think the U.S. set up the execution of Sadam and OBL, if not to cover their own butts.
Neither of those people could be put on trial by the US - far too much embarrassing, terrorist, collaboration been going on.
Saddam's blabbing would lead to Iran discovering what the US had done to have him wage the longest war in the 20th century on its innocent neighbour. Big trouble for the US.
And would publicise the three occasions (that's just what we know of, Glaspie, Kelly and Tutmeier) Bush 43 had told Saddm he was free to go ahead and seize Kuwait. Big trouble for the US.
OBL's trial would embarrass the US over the harm they'd done to the Russians - and something else. It appears that the Afghans had been keen to get rid of OBL ever since he'd arrived, penniless, from Sudan. Do you know anything of that?
Or will exchanging (mostly) good information just make Zarknorph very angry?
4341 had told Saddm[sic] he was free to go ahead and seize Kuwait..." In what parallel universe did that happen?
Well known fact - April Glaspie was acting on orders from Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush) when she told Saddam he was free to invade Kuwait. As were Margaret Tutweiler and John Kelly.
12/25/2005 ... Glaspie had her first meeting with Saddam Hussein on July 25, 1990. Glaspie herself had requested the meeting, saying she had an urgent message for the Iraqi president from US President George H. W. Bush (Bush Senior). In her two years as Ambassador to Iraq, it was Glaspie’s first private audience with Saddam Hussein. It was also to be her last. A partial transcript of the meeting is as follows:
... "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. ... Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait’s borders?" ..... "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasise the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
At a Washington press conference called the next day (July 26, 1990), US State Department spokesperson Margaret Tutweiler was asked by journalists:
"Has the United States sent any type of diplomatic message to the Iraqis about putting 30,000 troops on the border with Kuwait? Has there been any type of protest communicated from the United States government?"
To which Tutweiler responded: "I’m entirely unaware of any such protest."
On July 31, 1990, two days before the Iraqi invasion, John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, testified to Congress that the
"United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the US has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."
... On August 2, 1990, eight days after Glaspie’s meeting with the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein’s massed troops invaded Kuwait.
One month later in Baghdad, British journalists obtained the tape and transcript of the Saddam Hussein-April Glaspie meeting on July 25, 1990. In order to verify this astounding information, they attempted to confront Ms Glaspie as she was leaving the US embassy in Baghdad.
Journalist 1: ... "America green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signalling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the US would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumalya oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - territories claimed by Iraq?" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11376.htm
Did we ever hear April Glaspie's counter-version?
No, we did not.
... In all the years since her meeting with Saddam Hussein, Glaspie has never spoken about it to the media, never appeared as a guest on a TV talk show, never written an article or a book about her time as the US’s top diplomat in Baghdad. The question is: why? What has she got to hide? Ibid
Proof enough - Saddam was given (publicly in two cases) the green light to invade Kuwait by the US under George Bush Senior.
And there's more - when the news broke of Saddam's 2nd Aug 1990 invasion, George Bush made an entirely non-commital statement about its significance.
It was over 3 weeks later, after the UN had been called and passed UNSC Resolution 655 (25th Aug 1990) condemning the invasion that Margaret Thatcher famously cried “George, this is no time to go wobbly!” (26th Aug 1990) Until then, George Bush Senior had made no demands or threats.
Even then, it took the most outrageous and blatant fraud by Nurse Nariyah to persuade the US public to confront their previously very good friend, Saddam.
Can you think of any war the US has entered into not based on lies or provocations or both?
The Chinese spy on the US the US spies on everybody
Israel appears to be the worst for spying anywhere in the world - its criminal leader a retired nuclear spy (him and Golda Meir being the only ones ever without physical blood on their hands).
The US is in second place.
Meanwhile, Hong Kong is famous for spying - a "hidden MI6 headquarters at RMS Queen Elizabeth Wreck".
Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:
The video of George Floyd's death, captured by a passer-by, went viral. Within 24 hours local authorities sacked the four officers involved in the arrest. But it begs the question, what might have happened if this didn't take place in broad daylight, writes Kathryn Diss.
Mas murders in broad daylight can be brushed off as "Friendly Fire" - ask BM.
Zarknorph behaving more and more badly.
Says the one hijacking as many threads as possible today...
BTW your relocating posts is an example of hijacking and an offence against freedom of speech, and the concept of a forum, which this obviously is not.
Agreed, but to add to this there is the hypocracy of not allowing a fair trial at the neutral world court which was a U.S. creation that the U.S. never joined.
BTW G=G+1 for the prejudice shown by moving it to this site from the main one where it belongs.
Goss, as I move all of your abusive posts into one thread, I'd love it if you took some time to read them.
Putting them all in one place really highlights what an awful person you truly are.
..because you dont like the Turks , for me I would like to see both sides knock six bells out of each other
You've been extremely helpful on this subject before, BM.
In December 2010 you were still being diplomatic and trying to sooth the critics of Israel, saying "our ambiguous nuclear situation is not the issue, with or without nuclear capability we are still seeking peace, we have nothing to gain by eternal conflict".
But in June 2011, under Netanyahu and in his addresses to Knesset, Israel committed itself and us to WW3 by declaring that the Middle East was doomed to "eternal conflict".
"By declaring the conflict insoluble, Netanyahu is dooming Israel to live eternally by the sword, leaving no opening for reconciliation and understanding with the Palestinians and the Arab and Muslim world". https://www.haaretz.com/1.5022442
8 weeks later, in August 2011, you told us how pleased you were:
"Israel is fighting 24/7 its enemies, we have planned for eternal strife".
In November you only stepped back slightly, endorsing an evil worthy of Hitler in Poland and Russia:
"the IDF has predicted an eternal conflict with no end and i am unfortunately going to go with their analysis".
It was 8 years before I looked back in the Forum and discovered how well you'd documented the new orthodoxy and had decided on Holocaust II on all the brown people in your neighbourhood.