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CzoeMC

From: CzoeMC

Jun-1

Race riots in the US

From: BerrySteph

7:39 AM

bml00 said:

the blacks are disarmed  Another GEM of such unique stupidity it defies all logic

Doesn't appear many of them have guns - let alone pallets full of ammunition like the IDF had.

29 June 2004 ... an anecdote told by former MI head Amos Malka to Akiva Eldar (Haaretz, June 11). It turns out that during the first few days of the Al-Aqsa Intifada, soldiers in the territories fired 1,300,000 bullets.

... This was not a war on terror, but on the Palestinian people.

... chief of staff Mofaz bragged that the IDF, which had predicted the outbreak of violence in the territories ... given a free hand to shoot without limit. In the first three months of the intifada, the number of Israeli casualties was low, at which time the IDF proudly cited the large number of Palestinian casualties as evidence of the military victory and the correctness of the policy of massive use of force. http://www.haaretz.com/more-than-a-million-bullets-1.127053

Had anyone attacked you? No, far from it:

... a quiet year until the intifada: in the first nine months of 2000, one Israeli died from Palestinian terrorism.[9. "New Tries for Mideast Peace" New York Times (editorial), 31 October 2003. See also Dan Margalit, "As long as Terrorism is Kept at Bay" Ha'aretz, 4 September 2000, p. 5 - DEAD LINK but cited International Peacekeeping: The Yearbook of International Peace Operations edited by Michael Bothe, Boris Kondoch Volume 7, 2002.]

... [According to the Israelis] Arafat and the Palestinian leadership wanted an outbreak of violence.[2. See "Comment of the Government of Israel on the Report of the Sharm El-Sheikh Fact-finding Committee," 15 May 2001, p. 2; Barak's comments in Charles Enderlin, Shattered Dreams: The Failure of the Peace Process in the Middle East, 1995-2002 (New York: Other Press, 2003), pp. 302, 321-22; Shai Feldman, "The October Violence: An Interim Assessment," Strategic Assessment 3, no. 3 (November 2000), http://www.tau.ac.il/jcss/sa/v3n3p7.html; Gilead Sher (summary of remarks prepared by Liat Radcliffe); "The Brink of Peace? An Inside Look from Camp David to Taba," Peacewatch, no. 318 (18 April 2001), http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/watch/Peacewatch/peacewatch2001/318.htm; Eliot A. Cohen, "It's a War. Now, to What End?" Washington Post, 21 April 2002; and Uzi Benziman, "Green light, red flag," Ha'aretz, 27 October 2000.]

[According to the Zionist version] The Palestinians did not get what they wanted at Camp David, and they believed violence would pressure Israel into further concessions.

Another variant of this [Israeli] explanation is that being seen as the leader of a new intifada would rescue Arafat from being viewed as an obstacle to peace in the wake of the failed summit at Camp David in July 2000. In any case, it would be better and more heroic if the Palestinian state were born through violence. This explanation for the intifada is coupled with a second idea: that the violent outbreak would serve as a platform for the unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood. The Israeli government pushed the idea of pre-meditated Palestinian violence in its public relations efforts.[3. Ben Kaspit, "Israel Will Reveal 'Top Secret' Intelligence Data as Part of PR Campaign," Ma'ariv , 1 November 2000.]

The view that Arafat and the Palestinian Authority orchestrated the outbreak of the initfada was rejected by the Mitchell committee, the investigative body set up by the United States and others in late 2000.[4. Report of the Sharm el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee [hereinafter Mitchell Report], full text of the report completed on 30 April 2001 and published on 20 May 2001, http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/nea/rls/rpt/3060.htm p.7.]

[... References 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 9 & 10 & 11 & 12 & 13 & 14 & 15 & 16 & 17 & 18 & 19 ... ]

In short, "Many among the Palestinian leadership sought the assistance of their Israeli counterparts to prevent Sharon's visit. They were turned down."[19. Danny Rubinstein, "Kindling a religious war," Ha'aretz, 2 October 2000, p. 3.]

Even after the violence broke out, Israel and the PA continued to negotiate suggesting that neither side had abandoned the diplomatic route. During December 2000 and January 2001, the two parties engaged in high-level, comprehensive talks to try to resolve remaining differences. They dealt with substantive issues and considered further concessions.[20. For more details on the continuing negotiations, see Jeremy Pressman, "Visions in Collision: What Happened at Camp David and Taba?" International Security 28, no. 2 (Fall 2003).]

This casts doubt on the claim that the Palestinians had abandoned talks for a violent path. Sections two through four outline an alternative and more compelling explanation. https://journals.lib.unb.ca/index.php/jcs/article/view/220/378

Journal of Conflict Studies, Vol 23, No 2 (Fall 2003), The Second Intifada: Background and Causes of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jun-2

BM100 said:

the blacks are disarmed  Another GEM of such unique stupidity it defies all logic

100% relevant to the topic "Race riots in the US"

Disarmed American blacks by US police trained in Israel where they've disarmed the Palestinians and slaughter them freely.

BM is proud of this stuff - why are you acting ashamed of it?

bml00

From: bml00

Jun-2

There is no one group which is disarmed in the US or could be disarmed in the US - as advised US training in Israel is for very special units only

bm

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jun-2

bml00 said:

There is no one group which is disarmed in the US or could be disarmed in the US - as advised US training in Israel is for very special units only

Up to you - can believe lies or you learn something from me.

bml00

From: bml00

Jun-2

US Police Trained in Israel - https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/pro-palestinian-group-says-idf-trains-us-police-in-racist-tactics-629937

Bryan Leib, former national director of the Americans Against Anti-Semitism watchdog, said in a statement to the Jewish Journal, “These false accusations by the Campaign for Palestinian Rights and Amnesty International are disgusting and completely false. It’s true that special operations teams in local and state law enforcement like SWAT do train with Israel but the average police officer has never received training from Israel! Will Twitter and Jack Dorsey be ‘fact checking’ these modern day blood libels being spread about Jews?”

  • Edited June 2, 2020 5:13 am  by  bml00
SQUADDYB

From: SQUADDYB

Jun-2

I have a suggestion; open up your own forum, it costs nothing, it is free, which will make the Scottish stereotype inside you, a very happy and jovial person!:>)

MEDDLY

From: MEDDLY

Jun-2

Too late for Jen already created a Forum for him and Berry so they can continue their "Oh, Ah, You are the one" mutual arse kissing.

  • Edited June 2, 2020 1:22 pm  by  MEDDLY
Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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I made them a forum.

Berry is too afraid to set foot in it.

But Goss could not resist posting his macro in it.

It was all I needed to transfer ownership over to him.

You should stop by and visit it.

http://forums.delphiforums.com/berryandgoss

SQUADDYB

From: SQUADDYB

Jun-3

I see, brilliant!

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