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Trump vs Democracy   America - all of it

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From: slackerx

Nov-5

Hopefully we see some justice. 

The Trump campaign team demands a recount in Wisconsin and files lawsuits in three key states, laying the groundwork for contesting the vote tally in undecided battleground states that could determine the election outcome.

Why would this be VS democracy? This is, simply, democracy in action! Apparently many people don't care if it's a free and FAIR election as long as the desired outcome is reached! 

Voting has stopped. It's the counting of votes Trump presumably wants to stop.

To be determined later. When we were living in WA the democrat governor lost the race to the Republican challenger. They had an automatic recount. She still lost. They had another automatic recount. She still lost. During the third recount, that the dem party paid for, over 700 uncounted ballots were mysteriously found. She won by 129 votes. The total vote that year was over 2,750,000!

He asked to stop counting possibly invalid ballots (no signature or postmark on the outer envelope) and stop counting ballots when Republican officials are not allowed to be present.

Some folks really don't care about the process being fair as long as the desired outcome is reached.

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Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

Why would this be VS democracy?

Anyone demanding that all the vote counting stop, and mail in ballots should be disregarded and not even counted at all is against democracy.

We all want everything NOW.  Can you remember the old days where you had to wait for your TV show to be aired at a specific time on a specific night?  Or when food had to be cooked instead of reheated in a microwave or picked up in your car?  Can you remember having to wait days for a letter from a friend to arrive?  Sometimes WEEKS if they were overseas.

Election Night is a TV program, not the process.  Hell, the electoral college won't even hand over their votes until December!

But we've all lost the ability to be patient and wait.

Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

Apparently many people don't care if it's a free and FAIR election as long as the desired outcome is reached!

It will be fair when the last vote is counted.

Whoever wins.

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Make Dems Cry Again 2020! (bobrazz) said:

He asked to stop counting possibly invalid ballots (no signature or postmark on the outer envelope) and stop counting ballots when Republican officials are not allowed to be present.

The key word there is "possibly".  Yes, some ballots are not postmarked.  But that doesn't not mean they are fraudulent, that is evidence of a systemic failure, not evidence of voter fraud.

And the insistence that mail in ballots be signed and witnessed means ALL those ballots have to be verified.  So now people are upset that this is taking too long?

Perhaps Trump should have put someone better in charge of the USPD instead of a fellow crony.

The US had easily six months to get this sorted out.  The warning signs that this would all be a gigantic nightmare were clear since June!  Yet, the world is still watching the "greatest democracy that ever existed" struggle to hold an election without everyone going apeshit.

Anyone demanding that all the vote counting stop, and mail in ballots should be disregarded and not even counted at all is against democracy.

Propaganda. He campaign demanded that the counting of votes not clearly valid should stop. Votes with no postmarks, votes with no or invalid signatures on the outer envelope. That cannot be determined if Republican poll watchers are not allowed, or kept 100ft away. Mail in ballots that arrive after the polls have closed without postmarks should not be counted.

It will be fair when the last vote is counted.

It will be fair when the last VALID vote is counted.

In this country,  a democrat can go to bed slightly behind in the counting, and wake up the next morning, or the next few days, a winner. A Republican can never go to bed slightly behind in the counting and wake up the next morning, or the next few days, a winner. My wife and I lost our votes in WA state because of this common occurrence;   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Washington_gubernatorial_election

The key word there is "possibly".  Yes, some ballots are not postmarked.  But that doesn't not mean they are fraudulent, that is evidence of a systemic failure, not evidence of voter fraud.

So, you just count them, anyway? How do you determine that the vote was made before 8pm on election day? Oh, wait, I keep forgetting, the law doesn't matter. The OUTCOME is the only thing that matters. Responsible voters do what my wife and I did. We took our ballots to a drop off in the middle of last month, checked online 2 days later to see that they were readied for counting.

And the insistence that mail in ballots be signed and witnessed means ALL those ballots have to be verified.  So now people are upset that this is taking too long?

Who says that they are all being verified? Why are Republican poll watchers not allowed to watch these verifications? Should the counting not stop until that law is being enforced? Trust is ok, but, trust must be verified.

Perhaps Trump should have put someone better in charge of the USPD instead of a fellow crony.

When you have evidence that the USPS is not doing it's job in the swift delivery of these ballots, get back to me. Otherwise, you're just spouting propaganda.

The US had easily six months to get this sorted out.  

And, the democrat states got it "sorted out" just fine. For their party.

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