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Is North Korea a nuclear threat?   Asia

Started 6/13/18 by OSarge (DD214_98); 77125 views.

From: bml00 


The ability of NK to fight a conventional war is very limited , a first strike (conventional)  by NK on South Korea would be enormous but the reaction by the US and South Korea would be in a different league

The Iranians do not posses either an air force , navy or any form of army capable even in their dreams of confronting the US .

Conventional Missiles will not win wars , the US has the ability to deliver an incredible sustained assault if they are called up on to do so .



From: katiek2 


BerrySteph said:

A North Korean has pride and love for his country - South Koreans have had it beaten out of them.

I'm sure this was just a mistake on your part - from what I read, it's the other way around.  Of course I don't have first hand knowledge of the situation, but the 15 year old girl that attempted (and 3 years later succeeded) to escape the brutality and starvation of North Korea in order to get to South Korea, and eventually Australia, thought otherwise.

Here is a link to part one of her story.

Here is part two:

  • Edited October 5, 2019 12:45 pm  by  katiek2

From: BerrySteph 


katiek2 said:

I'm sure this was just a mistake on your part - from what I read, it's the other way around.

We're (mostly) being fed the stories of those who left and are ever so happy that they did so.

We're not being told the full horror that the US visited on South Korea and how much patriotic Koreans hate them. Number killed totally unknown - but a far worse destruction than Poland under Hitler and Stalin in succession.

Or maybe you know differently - but then explain why the international report on the use of biological warfare on Koreans, headed by a top British scientist was buried for 70 years and he was persecuted by the US.

Occupation forces drop baby down well.

Few escape as an entire population is burned.

South Koreans were targeted for mass-murder and the total destruction of all their history and all of their towns and villages. 

As best I know the following commentary is uncontentious - is it true? 100% true or only 99% true?

"The Korean War: 1945-1953" By Hugh Deane (on google books, see link)

p.145 ... The authoritative British military publication Brassey's Annual ... in its 1951 edition: "The war was fought without regard for the South Koreans, and their unfortunate country was regarded as an arena rather than a country to be liberated. As a consequence, fighting was quite ruthless, and it is no exaggeration to state that South Korea no longer exists as a country. Its towns have been destroyed, much of its means of livelihood eradicated, and its people reduced to a sullen mass depending upon charity..."102

.... Napalm was first used in the third day of the 1950 war ... Soon the use of napalm was a celebrated weapon in military journals. ... "They Don't Like 'Hell Bombs'" (Armed Forces Chemical Journal, January 1951) ... the number of "hell bombs" dropped rose to "astronomical figures" and pilots soon, were complaining about the scarcity of targets.

Of course, having boasted of burning millions of people to a crisp (real meaning of the word holocaust anyone?) the US then switched tack, lying and denying and angrily retaliating at the people who proved that there'd been mass use of biological WMD on the Koreans! the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s -use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last- 20d83f5cee54

From ISC Report, pg. 403

From testimony of Lt. J. Quinn, ISC report, pg. 614 (PDF)

REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea

Feb 20, 2018 ... Written largely by the most prestigious British scientist of his day, this official report, containing hundreds of pages of evidence about the use of US biological weapons during the Korean War, was effectively suppressed upon its original release in 1952.

... The report concluded that the U.S. had used a number of biological weapons, including use of anthrax, plague, and cholera, disseminated by over a dozen of different devices or methods, including spraying, porcelain bombs, self-destroying paper containers with a paper parachute, and leaflet bombs, among others.

... Courtesy of researcher Jeffrey Kaye, INSURGE now publishes the report in text-searchable format for the first time for the general public, with an exclusive, in-depth analysis of its damning findings and implications.


From: katiek2 


Sorry, I'm not an expert, or even a knowledgeable spectator re the North/South Korean conflict, therefore will not even attempt to enlighten you.  I'm sure you have much more credible info than the people who actually lived through the liberation of Korea from the Japanese, the division of Korea into North and South Korea, the establishment of a communist government in North Korea and a democratic republic in South Korea and the aftermath of such actions.  Regardless of who did what during the Korean War, South Korea recovered and the majority of the population do not starve.  I wouldn't have to dig very deeply to find horrifying reports of actions taken by the North against their own countrymen in the South.  

South Korea is known for its spectacular rise from one of the poorest countries in the world to a developed, high-income country in just a few generations.
Economic aid: ODA, $2.4 Billion (donor) (2018) ...
GDP per capita rank: 28th (nominal, 2018); 29th ...
GDP growth: : 2.9% (2016) 3.0% (2017); 2.6% ...

South Korea's per capita GDP, at $34,549 as of 2016, meets developed-country criteria by any reasonable standard. Life expectancy is an impressive 81 years; the infant mortality rate is similarly low, at three per 1,000 live births. As of 2016, South Korea's HDI is 0.89

South Korea's economic freedom score is 72.3, making its economy the 29th freest in the 2019 Index. ... South Korea is ranked 7th among 43 countries in the Asia–Pacific region, and its overall score is above the regional and world averages.

Poverty in North Korea is extensive, though reliable statistics are hard to come by due to lack of reliable research, pervasive censorship and extensive media manipulation in North Korea.

North Korea is one of the poorest and least developed countries in the world.

Poverty and hunger are most acute in North Korea's country
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 


Posted it, so others don't have to go the long way around wink

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 


The link is there.

The story is fucking brutal.

And it does not paint North Korea in a good light, so you won't like it.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph) 


I am so grateful for part 2 of that story.  I had to stop reading part one and take a little break.

What an amazingly strong young woman!

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From: BerrySteph 


katiek2 said:  I'm sure you have much more credible info than the people who actually lived through the liberation of Korea from the Japanese, the division of Korea into North and South Korea, the establishment of a communist government in North Korea and a democratic republic in South Korea and the aftermath of such actions.

All those people want the boot taken off their neck and Korea allowed to re-unify.

All except the collaborator class imposed on South Korea by the most astounding genocide.

Tell me, what is US (or other western) policy on getting re-unification without massive blood-shed?

I've asked this of a variety of people and the only answer I'm getting is that the leadership of North Korea must be decapitated and Koreans treated like Iraqis and Libyans. Or worse, millions and millions of dead immediately or in the chaos that follows.

And they say this when it appears to me that the Kaesong Industrial Park enterprise led straight to re-unification without bloodshed.