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Iran   Africa and the Middle East

Started 9/19/18 by Di (amina046); 72037 views.
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

5/25/19

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

5/25/19

They never learn! Cornering Germany in the Treaty of Versailles 1]

Events leading to World War II
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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/25/19

They never learn! Cornering Germany in the Treaty of Versailles

Seems to me we've learned nothing.

Of the many provisions in the treaty, one of the most important and controversial required "Germany [to] accept the responsibility of Germany and her allies for causing all the loss and damage" during the war (the other members of the Central Powers signed treaties containing similar articles). This article, Article 231, later became known as the War Guilt clause. The treaty required Germany to disarm, make ample territorial concessions, and pay reparations to certain countries that had formed the Entente powers. In 1921 the total cost of these reparations was assessed at 132 billion marks (then $31.4 billion or £6.6 billion, roughly equivalent to US$442 billion or UK£284 billion in 2019). At the time economists, notably John Maynard Keynes (a British delegate to the Paris Peace Conference), predicted that the treaty was too harsh—a "Carthaginian peace"—and said the reparations figure was excessive and counter-productive, views that, since then, have been the subject of ongoing debate by historians and economists. On the other hand, prominent figures on the Allied side, such as French Marshal Ferdinand Foch, criticized the treaty for treating Germany too leniently.

The result of these competing and sometimes conflicting goals among the victors was a compromise that left no one satisfied, and, in particular, Germany was neither pacifiednor conciliated, nor was it permanently weakened. The problems that arose from the treaty would lead to the Locarno Treaties, which improved relations between Germany and the other European powers, and the re-negotiation of the reparation system resulting in the Dawes Plan, the Young Plan, and the indefinite postponement of reparations at the Lausanne Conference of 1932.

The aim of us islanders (taken up enthusiastically by the US, nearly an island, and Ausralia) is to permanently oppress and impoverish the continentals.

Germany, Russia, China, Iran etc.

Not that I have any objection of course.

However, if you accept the above, then you'll recognise that an expanded Israel will (in a century or five?) pose as much - or maybe much more -  threat to us as any of the current continental powers.

We will end up at war with Israel - and they're much more reckless than the Russians or Chinese could possibly be.

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

5/27/19

bml00

From: bml00

5/27/19

Iran will not be invaded and its proxies Hezbollah and Hamas have to think 20 times before committing to war - Hezbollah cannot afford to see Lebanon reduced to rubble for involving itself in a war for which it has no part and the same for Hamas .

The US is bringing Iran to its knees very well so far and not a bullet fired , the Iranian can hope Trump will be defeated in the next election or they are already secretly making overtures to talk and that is the best likleyhood  - jaw not war will end this stand off

BM

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

5/27/19

CC to bml00
bml00

From: bml00

5/27/19

The report is not accurate there are two options available , one is an election the other is to go to the next largest party and ask them to attempt to create a government.

It appears that a small element lead by Lieberman will not bend the knee to the demands of the Ultra religious parties about the issue of conscription for the Lads who are in Religious Seminaries ( Yeshivot plural)

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

5/29/19

Di (amina046) said:

The prospect of war between the United States and Iran is more likely than it has been in decades, with the pretext for justifying a U.S. military strike or invasion already in...

Seems to me that Iran has maybe achieved almost the same level of deterrence as North Korea.

Cannot strike back at its tormentor but can blow up the region.

And in this case, the retaliation will not only badly hurt "friends" of the US but empty our supermarket shelves.

That's a real deterrent. Or would be, to anyone other than Trump.

bml00

From: bml00

6/1/19

please describe Iranian capabilities and then place them against US counter measures

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

6/1/19

bml00 said:

please describe Iranian capabilities

It has millions of rockets and can blow up the entire Gulf oil industry.

Deterrence, as you always insist is good.

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