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The debate on Climate Change   General Confusion

Started 7/18/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 110800 views.
Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/20/17

First things first...

Miranda Devine is NOT a trusted source.  She has an opinion column.  Think of her as the love child of Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.  With a lobotomy.

ElDotardo said:

They haven’t learned the lesson from SA’s extreme green experiment with renewable energy that has produced nothing but crippling blackouts and the highest electricity prices in the world.

No - it was a mixture of safety measures and failure of the AEMO - who were desperate to point the finger at anyone else.

In September last year some of the strongest winds in 50 years knocked down high voltage power pylons.  The AEMO auto safety system kicked in and shut everything down in order to protect the network and prevent South Australians from being electrocuted - it was that serious.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/29/south-australia-blackout-explained-renewables-not-to-blame

The AEMO report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-28/wind-farm-settings-to-blame-for-sa-blackout-aemo-says/8389920 itself says it was the control settings that failed, not the wind farms themselves.

You may have also noted that it was "silly Labor Premiers", as opposed to just "silly Premiers", who jumped on board the Cereal Train.  Perhaps this is because she is a conservative columnist and strong Liberal advocate.

It is also worth noting that the more controversial her column, the more clicks she gets and the more money the Daily Telegraph gets in advertising revenue.

I've vented my spleen about Miranda in this forum before.  But I cannot do it as well as the master.

Tom Ballard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkMv_GzhETk

Or if you have more time...

http://tomballard.com.au/my-letter-to-miranda-devine/

I value intelligent debate, but Miranda Devine does not qualify.

Cheers,

Jenifer

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/20/17

Attacking the messenger? What are you, an opinion denier? *chuckle*

Greenie obsessions hurting a lot of people

The vast costs of shifting from cheap and reliable coal power to wonky "renewables" are being borne by rich and poor alike

Some people are going hungry and suffering immense psychological stress as they try to pay their power bills, an inquiry into Australia's electricity system has been told.

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission is investigating electricity pricing and supply at the request of federal Treasurer Scott Morrison.

Electricity pricing and industry profits are under the consumer watchdog's microscope, as well as the level of competition in the market and factors that make it hard for householders and business owners to swap providers and understand their bills.

The Victorian Council of Social Service (VCOSS) has told the inquiry that electricity prices soared 119 per cent in the state in the decade to 2016.

"People are being pushed to the edge by electricity price rises," the council said in its submission.

A forthcoming VCOSS report will show people are making trade-offs on food and other essentials, and sometimes experiencing great psychological stress, in order to pay their bills.

In NSW, electricity retailers are announcing price rises of around 20 per cent for the next financial year due to surging wholesale prices.

NSW Energy & Water Ombudsman Janine Young said contracts offering the lowest prices often have discounts dependent upon paying on time via direct debit and in full.

She said this can prove difficult for people struggling financially, lumping them with late payment penalties and fees for failed bank direct debits.

Ms Young said discount contracts were confusing for customers because some discounts are on the total bill and others are on the consumption charges only.

The Consumer Action Law Centre said the complexity of the electricity market has stopped many people from engaging with it and reaping the
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Johneeo

From: Johneeo

7/20/17

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

I value intelligent debate

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/21/17

ElDotardo said:

Attacking the messenger? What are you, an opinion denier? *chuckle*

I know, my bad.  But Miranda Devine's job is to be divisive.  She, Andrew Bolt and their ilk do nothing but stir up a shitstorm in order to get people to take sides.

Doesn't matter what the topic, someone's coming to murder you in your bed!

Now, you've changed the title of the column printed in the Australian.  It's about soaring electricity prices.

Gee... if only they had solar panels to help them out...

Cheers,

Jenifer

Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/21/17

Stick around!

It's only lunch time here.

Unless you have an intelligent point to run away from.

Cheers,

Jenifer

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/22/17

Um, no.

Monumental, Unsustainable Environmental Impacts

A line of turbines on metal lattice legs catch the breeze at the Cowley Ridge wind farm in southern Alberta. The 23-year-old facility, Canada’s first commercial wind project, is being decommissioned. TED RHODES / CALGARY HERALD

Replacing fossil fuels with renewable energy would inflict major land, wildlife, resource damage

Paul Driessen

Demands that the world replace fossil fuels with wind, solar and biofuel energy – to prevent supposed catastrophes caused by manmade global warming and climate change – ignore three fundamental flaws.

1) In the Real World outside the realm of computer models, the unprecedented warming and disasters are simply not happening: not with temperatures, rising seas, extreme weather or other alleged problems.

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)

From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

7/23/17

It seems we're all ignoring the elephant in the room.

Nuclear Power.

Yep - Chernobyl and Japan.

It's either that or geothermal energy.

I agree, in order for Australia to be completely self sufficient on solar power alone the solar plant would need to be the size of the entire state of Victoria.

One clean energy source is not enough.  Wind, sun and wave power are just additions to a bigger clean energy source.

But we're afraid of nuclear power stations - and with good reason.

And what happened to that poor little bird?

Jenifer

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/23/17

Actually, I'm all for the nuclear option - especially when fusion generators are a viable option, but that's the problem with alternative energy sources. They sound good, and make greenies feel good about themselves, but they aren't ever going to replace fossil fuels as low cost sources of energy.

In fact, they are already dismantling wind farms around the world as they discover that it takes more energy to keep them turning than they can produce.

As for that fried birdie, it was just one of thousands killed by California's massive Ivanpah solar array . . . 

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

7/23/17

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Melbourne could run out of water in ten years because of population growth and climate change

Wotta lotta bore-water!  For a start, Melbourne already has a big desalination plant that is hardly used. 

Secondly, global warming would produce more evaporation off the oceans and hence MORE rain, not less. 

Thirdly, the Snowy scheme already pours lots of dammed water into the sea for "environmental" reasons.  That water could easily be diverted inland into the Murray river. There is already a tunnel for that purpose. And again there is already a pipeline linking the Murray to Melbourne's water supply. 

The galoots below would seem not to have a clue about the Melbourne water supply.  They are however Greenies so are probably just frauds who want to frighten people. The only threat to the Melbourne water supply is the Greenies who want to send already-dammed water out to sea . . 



One of the world's most livable cities could be facing an acute water shortage problem in the next ten to 15 years time no thanks to climate change and population growth.

Water supply in Melbourne may fall and reach a crisis point if no precautionary methods are taken to contain the problem from today, reports The Age.

The publication says demand for water in the state is expected to exceed the supply by 2028.

According to projections made by City West Water, Yarra Valley Water and South East Water demand for water is projected to surge to about 75 percent in the next 40 years, the publication reports.

Some water corporation produced the probable scenario for the state's water supply, Environment Victoria's acting chief executive, Nicholas Aberle told Daily Mail Australia.

Mr Aberle said there was a bunch of things that Melbournians can do to address the situation by incorporating several water saving habits.

He said people should learn ways on saving storm water and turning that into a valuable water resource. 'During the drought (1997 to 2009) people were managing water efficiency by only using 155 litres a day.

'People should have a behavioural change and use 100 litres of water a day and handle the water resources efficiently,' he said.

Melbourne Water spokesman Joseph Keller told the publication that people living in the state were 'encouraged to limit their consumption to 155 litres per person per day.'
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