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The debate on Climate Change   General Confusion

Started 7/18/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 113736 views.
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2/18/20

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2/22/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

The good news? Some airlines are taking positive steps. The bad news? Even the best airlines are not doing enough.

They're on our media soothingly claiming to be making big strides.

But they absolutely will not talk about targets.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

2/28/20

Fact Check


BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/28/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

A petition signed by over 500 people worldwide (including 75 Australians) asserts there is no climate emergency. They call themselves scientists and professionals, but who are they? RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-27/who-are--scientists-professionals-who-say-no-climate-emergency/11734966

This one is so far from being a "scientist" or doing anything "peer-reviewed" that he appears to be unemployable except as a hasbarist:

Australia's representative, Viv Forbes, has been writing sceptical articles for over a decade. He is the administrator of long-running climate sceptic blog Carbon Sense.

He is also the executive director of climate sceptic organisation the Saltbush Club, which was constituted in November 2018 to "change the climate of public opinion, thus changing the political agenda".

A document listing  the "founding members" of the Saltbush Club, says of Mr Forbes:

"He has spent his working life in the resource and pastoral industries of northern Australia, for five years as a government field geologist and then in private industry.

He has held almost every job from rouseabout and field assistant to Financial Analysis Manager to Chairman of the board, in metals, oil, gas and coal, and focused on feasibility studies, investment analysis, mine development, lecturing and writing.

He has been self-employed for about 35 years."

This man is better but still of dubious credibility:

Guus Berkhout, from the Netherlands, is one of the founders of climate sceptic organisation, Clintel, which was founded this year and is the progenitor of the petition.

On his website, Mr Berkout lists professional experience as a professor of geophysics at TU Delft, ending in 2016. His biography also details his time working for petroleum company Shell in the 1960s and 1970s.

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3/1/20

Then there are all the ones who work for mining companies...

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3/1/20

A composite of satellite imagery shows a map of China with high air pollution and another with a decreased pollution.


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3/1/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Then there are all the ones who work for mining companies...

Our government has also slipped rapidly into the hands of the very wealthy.

"Who is Philip May? Theresa May's husband and closest advisor". Business Insider. Retrieved 5 February 2018.

He was named in the Panama Papers in 2016.[15. "May told to prove she has 'nothing to hide' after 10,000 sign petition to declare offshore interests"Archived from the original on 1 January 2018.] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_May

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3/3/20

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3/30/20

Just to be clear: The experts consulted for this article were unanimous: there is no indication coronavirus has been directly connected to climate change.


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4/4/20

Scientists say? BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

Air quality improving: Will it help with global warming?

The Greenies want huge economic shutdowns to halt global warming.  Courtesy of the response to the coronavirus we now have such shutdowns.  So what difference is that making to the climate?  None, apparently. Global carbon dioxide levels are not budging.

It's logical that a short period would not do much to a level built up over many years but the fact that we are seeing no response at all despite the huge changes in human activities does suggest that the CO2 reduction that Greenies want may be far greater than could ever be achieved in reality

In terms of the article below, all that Greenie policies could achieve would be "noise": too small to detect above natural variability


Seattle-area air quality is a bit better as the novel coronavirus shuts down economic activity and travel.

Levels of nitrous oxide (NOX), a pollutant produced by tailpipe emissions and other sources, are being detected at generally lower values in local air-monitoring devices. And a satellite that detects emissions in the atmosphere linked to cars and trucks shows declines in pollution over the Seattle area in March 2020 compared with March 2019.

But efforts to “flatten the curve” – the rate of spread of the coronavirus — have not even dented a different curve also of great importance to humanity around the world: The Keeling Curve.

The Keeling Curve is a record of global atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration maintained by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California at San Diego. Over the past 62 years since measurements began, the curve has gone, except for seasonal variation, in only one direction: relentlessly upward. Right through the collapse of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s. Through the global economic turndown of 2008. To record levels, without stopping. And so it continues, even now as public life grinds to a near standstill.

Ralph Keeling – his late father, Charles, invented the measurement — said even greater declines in fossil fuel use than we are presently seeing would need to be sustained for at least a year to show up clearly in global carbon dioxide levels.

But in the short term, it’s not enough to make a difference in global warming.

“A lot of people are saying this is good for the climate problem. No, not really,” said Pieter Tans, senior scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Global Monitoring Division. To bend the Keeling Curve, emissions from fossil-fuel burning would need to be cut by half, and then continue to decrease, Tans said. Even a 25 percent reduction would result in only a few tenths of one part per million decrease.

“It would be hard to see it in the record, to pick it out of the noise of natural variability. Maybe if we have a long downturn, maybe we begin to see something above the noise.”
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