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The debate on Climate Change   General Confusion

Started 7/18/17 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 116597 views.
ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

4/4/20

Scientists say? BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

Air quality improving: Will it help with global warming?

The Greenies want huge economic shutdowns to halt global warming.  Courtesy of the response to the coronavirus we now have such shutdowns.  So what difference is that making to the climate?  None, apparently. Global carbon dioxide levels are not budging.

It's logical that a short period would not do much to a level built up over many years but the fact that we are seeing no response at all despite the huge changes in human activities does suggest that the CO2 reduction that Greenies want may be far greater than could ever be achieved in reality

In terms of the article below, all that Greenie policies could achieve would be "noise": too small to detect above natural variability


Seattle-area air quality is a bit better as the novel coronavirus shuts down economic activity and travel.

Levels of nitrous oxide (NOX), a pollutant produced by tailpipe emissions and other sources, are being detected at generally lower values in local air-monitoring devices. And a satellite that detects emissions in the atmosphere linked to cars and trucks shows declines in pollution over the Seattle area in March 2020 compared with March 2019.

But efforts to “flatten the curve” – the rate of spread of the coronavirus — have not even dented a different curve also of great importance to humanity around the world: The Keeling Curve.

The Keeling Curve is a record of global atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration maintained by the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California at San Diego. Over the past 62 years since measurements began, the curve has gone, except for seasonal variation, in only one direction: relentlessly upward. Right through the collapse of the Soviet Union in the late 1980s. Through the global economic turndown of 2008. To record levels, without stopping. And so it continues, even now as public life grinds to a near standstill.

Ralph Keeling – his late father, Charles, invented the measurement — said even greater declines in fossil fuel use than we are presently seeing would need to be sustained for at least a year to show up clearly in global carbon dioxide levels.

But in the short term, it’s not enough to make a difference in global warming.

“A lot of people are saying this is good for the climate problem. No, not really,” said Pieter Tans, senior scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Global Monitoring Division. To bend the Keeling Curve, emissions from fossil-fuel burning would need to be cut by half, and then continue to decrease, Tans said. Even a 25 percent reduction would result in only a few tenths of one part per million decrease.

“It would be hard to see it in the record, to pick it out of the noise of natural variability. Maybe if we have a long downturn, maybe we begin to see something above the noise.”
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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

4/4/20

Just had to . . .

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

4/5/20

You do realise that you just posted an article that states global warming is real, right?

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

4/5/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

You do realise that you just posted an article that states global warming is real, right?

Proof (if anyone needed it) that he was trolling all along.

What I don't understand is why otherwise rational people give these trolls the attention they seek.

Whatever you may think of my Holocaust threads - at least I'm trying to get to the truth.

eg - are we now to change the certainty of 70 years and accept a real death toll (Jews only) of around 9 or 12 million? Why can I not get an answer - am I supposed to accept the Holocaust Industry lies to us quite shamelessly?

PS - since this posting will be used against me - I'm trying to find out what this means:

"those who insist that the death of six million Jews in Nazi concentration camps is nothing but a hoax perpetrated by a powerful Zionist conspiracy"

A statement universally accepted that gets either 250 or 400 ghits - but is, I'd be pretty sure, patently untrue.

ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

4/5/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said...

 

You do realise that you just posted an article that states global warming is real, right?

 

 

You do realize that I've never denied that global warming, which may or may not be occurring, is real. As I have often averred, it is a natural geologic cycle that can be tracked via the historical evidence - hmmmm, whatever happened to end the ice age? 

What isn't real, no matter how you and your friends on the Left wish it so, is anthropogenic global warming (AGW) which has been repeatedly exposed as a hoax perpetrated to forward a certain agenda.

 

The In-depth Story Behind a Climate Fraud

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewJ6TI8ccAw

 

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

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ElDotardo

From: ElDotardo

4/5/20

The planet warms, the planet cools - it's a natural cycle when viewed in geologic time . . .

 

Traces of ancient rainforest in Antarctica point to a warmer prehistoric world

Imperial College London

Illustration of the Antarctic rainforest  Credit: Alfred-Wegener-Institut/James McKay

Illustration of the Antarctic rainforest Credit: Alfred-Wegener-Institut/James McKay

Researchers have found evidence of rainforests near the South Pole 90 million years ago, suggesting the climate was exceptionally warm at the time.

A team from the UK and Germany discovered forest soil from the Cretaceous period within 900 km of the South Pole. Their analysis of the preserved roots, pollen and spores shows that the world at that time was a lot warmer than previously thought.

The discovery and analysis were carried out by an international team of researchers led by geoscientists from the Alfred Wegener Institute Helmholtz Centre for Polar and Marine Research in Germany and including Imperial College London researchers. Their findings are published today in Nature.

Co-author Professor Tina van de Flierdt, from the Department of Earth Science & Engineering at Imperial, said: “The preservation of this 90-million-year-old forest is exceptional, but even more surprising is the world it reveals. Even during months of darkness, swampy temperate rainforests were able to grow close to the South Pole, revealing an even warmer climate than we expected.”

The work also suggests that the carbon dioxide (CO2) levels in the atmosphere were higher than expected during the mid-Cretaceous period, 115-80 million years ago, challenging climate models of the period.

The mid-Cretaceous was the heyday of the dinosaurs but was also the warmest period in the past 140 million years, with temperatures in the tropics as high as 35 degrees Celsius and sea level 170 metres higher than today.

However, little was known about the environment south of the Antarctic Circle at this time. Now, researchers have discovered evidence of a temperate rainforest in the region, such as would be found in New Zealand today. This was despite a four-month polar night, meaning for a third of every year there was no life-giving sunlight at all.

The presence of the forest suggests average temperatures were around 12 degrees Celsius and that there was unlikely
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BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

4/6/20

ElDotardo said:

You do realize that I've never denied that global warming, which may or may not be occurring, is real.

You're just not worth engaging with.

Lost any traction in your own Forum, you come over here to make a nuisance of yourself.

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

4/6/20

ElDotardo said:

You do realize that I've never denied that global warming, which may or may not be occurring, is real.

Are you having a stroke?

Do you smell toast?

Harold27Z

From: Harold27Z

4/6/20

Maybe getting stroked is one of his fantasies.

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

4/7/20

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