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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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bml00

From: bml00

Jan-5

The American decision was correct to remove Soleimani his removal was done with the assistance of several from within his own camp who are looking for rapprochement with the US , war with the US would be deadly for the Iranian regime and futile

BM

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-5

bml00 said:

The American decision was correct to remove Soleimani

You're speaking from a nation that glorifies in terrorism - and has sucked the US into more of the same.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-5

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Thousands of people have marched in Baghdad to mourn Iran's assassinated military commander Qassem Soleimani, Iraqi militia leader Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis and others killed in a United States air strike.

You'll know that I'm a big fan of loud-mouthed terrorists.

Ronen Bergman was/is a reporter in Israel and published a big book on this terrorism - with apparent approval from Mossad. He boasts that Israel had carried out 2,300 assassination plots since 1948 (not all successful but many with multiple victims).

Ronan Bergman even proudly pinpoints the moment in 1907 when the Zionists dedicated themselves to terrorism:

p.6 - "Rise and Kill First The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" - by Ronen Bergman, translated by Ronnie Hope

Herzl himself saw Palestine, the Jews’ ancestral homeland, as the ideal location for a future Jewish state ... a Jewish nation was to survive in peace. Herzl’s view came to be known as political Zionism.

Ben-Zvi and his seven comrades, on the other hand, were - like most other Russian Jews - practical Zionists ... would take what they believed to be rightfully theirs, and they would defend what they had taken.

This put the practical Zionists in immediate conflict with most of the Jews already living in Palestine. As a tiny minority in an Arab land - many of them peddlers and religious scholars and functionaries under the Ottoman regime - they preferred to keep a low profile. Through subservience and compromise and bribery, these established Palestinian Jews had managed to buy themselves relative peace and a measure of security.

But Ben-Zvi and the other newcomers were appalled at the conditions their fellow Jews tolerated ... Arab mobs attacked and plundered Jewish settlements ... had consigned their defense to Arab guards

... Ben-Zvi and his friends found this situation to be unsustainable and intolerable. Some were former members of Russian left-wing revolutionary movements inspired by the People’s Will (Narodnaya Volya), an aggressive anti-tsarist guerrilla movement that employed terrorist tactics, including assassinations.

Disappointed by the abortive 1905 revolution in Russia, which in the end produced only minimal constitutional reforms, some of these socialist revolutionaries, social democrats, and liberals moved to Ottoman Palestine to reestablish a Jewish state.

... Jaffa on September 29, 1907 ... flat was rented by Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, a young Russian who’d immigrated to Ottoman Palestine earlier that year ... That night, those eight people formed the first Hebrew fighting force of the modern age. They decreed that, from then forward, everything would be different from the image of the weak and persecuted Jew all across the globe.

... They named their fledgling army Bar-Giora, after one of the leaders of the Great Jewish Revolt against the Roman Empire, in the first century. On their banner, they paid homage to that ancient rebellion and predicted their future. "In blood and fire Judea fell," it read. "In blood and fire Judea will rise." ... Ben-Zvi would one day be the Jewish nation’s second president.

Ronen Bergman even tells us (above) that these were Russian Jews, from the land of the bomb-throwing anarchists.

He fails to mention that the settlements under attack were then, as now, land-grabbing Zionist enterprises with no use for religion whatsoever.

BAR-GIORA was not, at first, a popular movement. But more Jews arrived in Palestine from Russia and Eastern Europe every year - 35,000 between 1905 and 1914 - bringing with them that same determined philosophy of practical Zionism.

With more like-minded Jews flooding into the Yishuv, as the Jewish community in Palestine was called, Bar-Giora in 1909 was reconstituted into the larger and more aggressive Hashomer (Hebrew for "the Guard"). By 1912, Hashomer was defending fourteen settlements. Yet it was also developing offensive, albeit clandestine, capabilities, preparing for what practical Zionists saw as an inevitable eventual war to take control of Palestine. Hashomer therefore saw itself as the nucleus for a future Jewish army and intelligence service.

Ronen Bergman only hints at the fact the Zionists were totally at odds with the peace-loving Jews of Palestine, overwhelmingly recent immigrants drawn to Palestine in part by the welcoming and tolerant atmosphere. But he does tell remind us that these terrorists not only hated the religious Jews but practised terrorism on them too.

The members of Hashomer who led the Haganah at the outset were even willing to commit acts of violence against fellow Jews. Jacob de Haan was a Dutch-born Haredi - an ultra-Orthodox Jew - living in Jerusalem in the early 1920s. He was a propagandist for the Haredi belief that only the Messiah could establish a Jewish state, that God alone would decide when to return the Jews to their ancestral homeland, and that humans trying to expedite the process were committing a grave sin. In other words, de Haan was a staunch anti-Zionist, and he was surprisingly adept at swaying international opinion. To Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, by now a prominent Haganah leader, that made de Haan dangerous. So he ordered his death.

On June 30, 1924 - just a day before de Haan was to travel to London to ask the British government to reconsider its promise to establish a Jewish nation in Palestine - two assassins shot him three times as he emerged from a synagogue on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem.

That's the real history of the movement that members of this Forum claims to admire.

I say that Ronen Bergman is boasting on Mossad's behalf, because his efforts are wholly supported by the terrorists, he tell us that he "interviewed hundreds of people in its intelligence and defense establishments and studied thousands of classified documents that revealed a hidden history, surprising even in the context of Israel’s already fierce reputation".

bml00

From: bml00

Jan-5

THESE ARE CUT AND PASTES BOUGHT IN FROM ANOTHER FORUM

bm

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

Jan-5

bml00 said:

THESE ARE CUT AND PASTES BOUGHT IN FROM ANOTHER FORUM

No they're not.

They're a book by a Mossad operative boasting of the terrorism you rejoice in.

And besides, you know that I'm a big fan of loud-mouthed terrorists.

Di (amina046)

From: Di (amina046)

Jan-6

Neither Israel nor the United States have ever shied away from political assassination!

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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I didn't bother to read any of it.

Did it have anything to do with the protests in Iraq?

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Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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bml00

From: bml00

Jan-7

It is excerpts from a book he is cutting and pasting from forum to forum i doubt in all honesty HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING , he is much too busy defending KYU and trying hard to get him crowned Emperor (does it get any better?)

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