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Impeach, or get off the pot!   America - all of it

Started 9/23/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 28101 views.
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Jan-18

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Jan-18

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

US President Donald Trump assembles a high-profile legal team to defend himself in the Senate, including a key figure in the impeachment proceedings against Bill Clinton.

I was vaguely aware that the impeachment of Clinton was corrupt.

I had no idea that the US was going to go so badly off the rails as we see now.

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Jan-21

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Jan-21

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

President Donald Trump's legal team asserts he did absolutely nothing wrong, calling the impeachment case against him flimsy and a dangerous perversion of the constitution.

His personal lawyer, Rudy Guiliani, is taking a slightly different tack, arguing that the Supreme Court ought to get involved to provide a check on the legislative branch’s power - because the articles of impeachment don’t charge Trump with any federal crimes.

“The general theory is of course that impeachment is in the hands of the House, with unlimited power. Wrong,” Giuliani told host Jeanine Pirro on Fox News.

“What are the limits of impeachment. It’s written right in Article II Section 4. It has to be treason, bribery, high crimes, misdemeanor.

“Abuse of power, and the other ridiculous obstruction of Congress — you can’t find it anywhere in 18 USC, you can’t find it under common law, you can’t find it in Lithuanian law,” he continued. “It doesn’t exist as crimes. So they have rendered the Constitution of the United States, and its words, meaningless.”

... the House, which the Constitution gives “the sole power of impeachment,” has interpreted [high crimes and misdemeanours] in a number of ways.

Bill Clinton, for instance, was impeached for the high crimes and misdemeanors of perjury and obstruction of justice.

Richard Nixon resigned before a vote on impeachment could be held, but the House Judiciary Committee overseeing his impeachment process approved articles that included both abuse of power and contempt of Congress. The full House was expected to impeach him.

Most recently, the 116th House impeached Trump for abuse of power and obstructing Congress — and explained why it felt each was an impeachable offense.

Abuse of power, for instance, House Democrats defined as “engaging in forbidden acts, or by engaging in potentially permissible acts but for forbidden reasons (e.g., with the corrupt motive of obtaining a personal political benefit).”

Trump did just this, according to the first article of impeachment, which argues Trump “persisted in openly and corruptly urging and soliciting Ukraine to undertake investigations for his personal political benefit.”

As far as obstructing Congress is concerned, House Democrats found Trump “directed the unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance of subpoenas issued by the House of Representatives pursuant to its ‘sole Power of Impeachment.’”

As Giuliani noted, these offenses aren’t covered by federal criminal law ... claimed that seeing impeachment as a political, not criminal, process — despite it being how the framers saw the issue — is problematic and in need of correction.

“The remedy,” Giuliani told Pirro, “is to go before the Supreme Court of the United States and have it declared unconstitutional.” Such a ruling, the lawyer claimed, would have the added benefit of making the House’s vote to impeach the president “null and void.” https://www.vox.com/2020/1/13/21063457/trump-impeachment-giuliani-unconstitutional-should-not-even-be-allowed-to-proceed

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Jan-23

In the end, Trump is essentially being reviewed over his job performance to determine whether or not he's getting fired.

You don't have to commit a crime to get fired from your job - you just have to suck at it.

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Jan-23

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Jan-24

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

In the end, Trump is essentially being reviewed over his job performance to determine whether or not he's getting fired. You don't have to commit a crime to get fired from your job - you just have to suck at it.

Indeed.

Its a political process - but it depends on having honest politicians.

And the US is no longer the only country not to have them. Show me a Climate Denier and I'll show you someone bribed or blackmailed into corruption.

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Jan-25

BerrySteph said:

Show me a Climate Denier and I'll show you someone bribed or blackmailed into corruption.

Or they could just be pig-ignorant.

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Jan-25

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