adwil said:  "You've lied in here about the instigators of terrorism in the world and in the Middle East. Just as you've lied about the most disgusting Nazi Jew-killer/s, Jew-robbers and Holocaust organisers." Present your evidence.  

You've done that in here, just as you've done consistently. In spade-fulls.

adwil said:   ALL my opinions are based on bona fide historians. 

Show us what "bona fide historians" defend Kurt Becher. 

How about Gábor Kádár, Zoltán Vági - they historians? "Self-financing Genocide: The Gold Train, the Becher Case and the Wealth of Hungarian Jews" 2004

p.86 SELF-FINANCING GENOCIDE

At the end of March, Eichmann’s men used blackmail to extort 11 million pengôs from the Central Jewish Council. In smaller towns the levy was less — 2 million pengôs in Újvidék and Ungvár, 186 500 thousand in Kolozsvár and 100 thousand in Székesfehérvár. 187 

... The most blatant and large-scale example of the Nazis’ organized expropriation of Jewish wealth was the seizure of the Weiss Manfréd industrial complex.

This gambit, which provoked a government crisis, will be discussed in greater detail in Part II in connection with its mastermind, Himler’s personal emissary, SS Obersturmbannführer (Lieutenant Colonel) Kurt Becher.

As we will see, the Weiss Manfréd-business was not the only example of Becher’s looting the Hungarian Jewish wealth. In the course of his activity in Budapest he seized Jewish assets representing 1–3 million dollars value.

... Becher received several million dollars’ worth of jewels and hard currency from the Zionists in exchange for the free passage of a trainload of refugees, while between the fall of 1944 and the spring he, together with several of his colleagues, had 55 thousand freight cars containing 600–700 thousand tons of valuables — approximately one-quarter of which had been taken from Jews — dispatched to the Reich in the framework of the so-called evacuation of Hungary.

... Several thousands German soldiers, military police and Gestapo left the country loaded down with Jewish property gained through organized or individual, illegal or commanded theft, the value of which amounted to several tens of millions of dollars at current rate. med anything but insignificant or marginal.

adwil said:

 Your views are based on anti-Zionist propaganda sources that you NEVER check for validity. You just accept, what is mostly rubbish because you hate Zionism and Israel.

You just lie and lie and lie. It is rare that I post anything from "anti-Zionists" - at least 90% of what I quote is from either Zionists or pro-Zionism sources.

bml00 said:  Adwil has now dropped in and taking the poster to task, he was bumped twice from Idle Chit Chat for being an incessant liar (he admitted to being a liar )

You're such a fraud. Adwil lied over the start of WW1 (I'd correctly claimed that Churchill had mobilised for war before Germany - Adwil's references proved I was essentially correct, only a smidgin of doubt that it was actually Churchill who ordered it).

Nick demanded I apologise for calling him out and then banned me for refusing.

I wonder what Mossad threatened him with?

Berry is a liar I am sure you know this

You tried to list some and failed - one typo and two where my information was provably correct.

Never tried that one again - astonishingly few errors I make and no lies whatsoever (except occasional obvious ones for fun!)

BerrySteph said:

Never tried that one again - astonishingly few errors I make and no lies whatsoever (except occasional obvious ones for fun!)

Ask Nick for his assessment of the idiot that should satisfy You more than any words I can find

bml00 said:

Ask Nick for his assessment of the idiot that should satisfy You more than any words I can find

Nick may accuse me of all sorts of things - but lying will not be one of them. I'm scrupulously good that way.

Even as you're terrible!

I seem to have read and rebutted this nonsense on at  least two occasions. Your problem, Berry is that when I reference a book, you don't actually read anything. You just look for something that sounds as if it supports your views and then you present a piece of text with sections omitted but set out in such a way as to try and convince the reader that those sentences are actually connected, when they're in different sections of the book.

If you were an academic, you'd get nothing accepted for publication in a peer reviewed journal.

I'm busy for the rest of the day, but will try and revisit this post and your other propaganda nonsense on terrorism, probably tomorrow.

Enjoy your day.

BerrySteph said:

Nick may accuse me of all sorts of things - but lying will not be one of them. I'm scrupulously good that way.

"Nick may accuse me of all sorts of things - but lying will not be one of them. I'm scrupulously good that way."

No. BM is right. Lying and falsifying is your modus operandi. 

adwil said: I seem to have read and rebutted this nonsense on at  least two occasions. ... I'm busy for the rest of the day, but will try and revisit this post and your other propaganda nonsense on terrorism, probably tomorrow.

Adwil is trying to drag this out, time-waste and poison the ambience.

He's running away from any actual substance - after all, I've only invited him to do this:

1) Show us any "bona fide historians" defending Kurt Becher.

2) Show us any hasbarists who defend Kurt Becher.

3) Admit there is absolutely nobody (else) in the world who has ever made this defense.

4) Tell us what's in the book that he recommended "Self-financing Genocide: The Gold Train, the Becher Case and the Wealth of Hungarian Jews" 2004 

5) Or in "The Gold Train: The Destruction of the Jews and the Looting of Hungary" 2002 by Ronald Zweig, another book he recommended.

Adwil knows he can do none of that - and has never done it, despite what he claims.

ADWIL has Berry  on the ropes enjoy it as the liar Berry will move the goal post each post .

BM

"1) Show us any "bona fide historians" defending Kurt Becher. You don't really have any understanding of what historians actually do. Why should any modern historian accuse or defend anyone. Their job is to present the facts as best they can so the reader is in a position to make a judgement. 

2) Show us any hasbarists who defend Kurt Becher. " Why on earth should I believe what I read from a polemicist?

3) Admit there is absolutely nobody (else) in the world who has ever made this defense."

What a silly thing to say. How would I know? There's very little on the subject of Kurt Becher, probably because he was never 'central or 'important. He's just a minor player in the Eichmann led Hungarian Holocaust best known for co-operating with the Jewish Aid  and Rescue group, the Vaada and helping Kastner save Jewish lives at great personal risk.

You're still suffering from 'Becher on the brain'.  Your basic problem is that Becher was not found guilty of any war crime after WW2. He was accused 20 or 30 years later in West Germany on two occasions, (with others) but each time the case collapsed because of lack of evidence.

4) Tell us what's in the book that he recommended "Self-financing Genocide: The Gold Train, the Becher Case and the Wealth of Hungarian Jews" 2004 

5) Or in "The Gold Train: The Destruction of the Jews and the Looting of Hungary" 

I've read both books. You haven't. You just search for evidence that supports your prejudices. I suggest you refresh your memory of the 'Gold Train' by reading the summary in  "Rosner, et al. v. United States of America, Docket No. 01-1859-CIV-SEITZ."

To help you, here is the relevant bit. "The Hungarian Gold Train was a train of approximately 24 freight cars that contained personal property which was taken, seized, confiscated or stolen by the Hungarian government from Hungarian Jews. 

http://www.hungariangoldtrain.org/index_en.php

OK? Got that? Becher isn't mentioned because he had nothing at all to do with the Gold Train which was organised by the Hungarian Government. You believe he had, because there is another separate section in the book looking at the Weiss-Mann takeover, that Becher actually did organise.  If you'd read the book, you'd know they were unconnected events. That's how I know you haven't read the book.

OK. Next question.

adwil said:

"1) Show us any "bona fide historians" defending Kurt Becher. You don't really have any understanding of what historians actually do. Why should any modern historian accuse or defend anyone. 

Everything you've included is deliberately deceptive - or maybe outright false.

Kurt Becher (when he's mentioned, though as a protected friend of Israel, he doesn't get much mention) is condemned by "bona-fide historians".

adwil said:  2) Show us any hasbarists who defend Kurt Becher. " Why on earth should I believe what I read from a polemicist? 

Kurt Becher isn't mentioned by bloggers - unlike you, they know when they're on a loser.

adwil said:  3) Admit there is absolutely nobody (else) in the world who has ever made this defense." What a silly thing to say. How would I know?

Your own postings betray you - you leapt to his defense with a series of angry postings. I'll not spam the Forum with them - but you wished he could sue me among other things.

adwil said:  There's very little on the subject of Kurt Becher, probably because he was never 'central or 'important. He's just a minor player in the Eichmann led Hungarian Holocaust 

Kurt Becher was central to the robbing of the Jews of Hungary. Your own sources say so.

adwil said: ... best known for co-operating with the Jewish Aid  and Rescue group, the Vaada and helping Kastner save Jewish lives at great personal risk. 

You're a complete fraud.

adwil said:  4) Tell us what's in the book ... "Self-financing Genocide: The Gold Train, the Becher Case and the Wealth of Hungarian Jews" 2004  5) Or in "The Gold Train: The Destruction of the Jews and the Looting of Hungary" ...  I suggest you refresh your memory of the 'Gold Train' by reading the summary in  "Rosner, et al. v. United States of America, Docket No. 01-1859-CIV-SEITZ." 

Bizarre argument from you - Becher is named as a very serious villain (though not everything he did is recorded) in the two books you recommended!

To claim he wasn't involved because another document doesn't mention is simply - very bizarre.

adwil said: ... Becher isn't mentioned because he had nothing at all to do with the Gold Train which was organised by the Hungarian Government. You believe he had, because there is another separate section in the book looking at the Weiss-Mann takeover, that Becher actually did organise.  

So you know that Becher was a Jew-robber on an enormous scale. 

adwil said:  OK. Next question.

You've answered my question - Karl Becher's biggest coup was forcing the Jewish owners of the Weiss-Mann works (half of all Hungarian industry???) to sign over all their property in exchange for payments they'd recieve in exile in Portugal. (Very little of what they ever received).