adwil said:

adwil said:  "I'm more interested to know why she lies about the number of victims of the Holocaust." Lipstadt doesn't. It's a rough estimate. 

You're denying the six million number - as top Holocaust Schollar, Deborah Lipstadt does.

I'm reasonably satisfied that the six million number is genuine - who has ever argued its considerably more?

Its not a rough estimate - its a lie - between 3 and 5 million Jews died in the concentration camps. Between 1 and 3 million died in their homes or in the open.

If you lie about it now then that makes its gravely suspicious when you attack Holocaust Deniers for having a lower estimate.

(I'm satisfied that its correct because its near contemporaneous - and the Zionists hated it so much when it came out!)

Other people are throw in prison have their lies destroyed for disputing this number - you're now saying that its a fraud.

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I may or may not be able to trash the rest of your falsehoods right now, there is only one thing that needs immediate response:

The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious).

What we know, from passionate Zionist Black, is that the Zionists were pleased with it and used it.

And we have evidence, from kosher sources, that Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists were expressing this openly in 1919/1920.

Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists saw the refugees of WW1 and wanted them in Palestine with the blessing and money of the British. Huge efforts by the British until 1925 to make this work ended in failure and by 1930 the ghastly experiment was failing.

That's why the Zionists set about destroying Germany unless it would expel the Jews. More to follow.

BerrySteph said:

The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious).

The LIAR  prick has used and lied the above quote so many times it is incredible and now faced with facts he is f..ked totally as usual

BM

BerrySteph said:

I may or may not be able to trash the rest of your falsehoods right now, there is only one thing that needs immediate response: The phrase "Jews cannot be Germans" (I don't even know what it is in German) may have been used by Nazis - we seem to have no evidence for that (which is pretty mysterious). What we know, from passionate Zionist Black, is that the Zionists were pleased with it and used it. And we have evidence, from kosher sources, that Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists were expressing this openly in 1919/1920. Chaim Weizmann and the other Zionists saw the refugees of WW1 and wanted them in Palestine with the blessing and money of the British. Huge efforts by the British until 1925 to make this work ended in failure and by 1930 the ghastly experiment was failing. That's why the Zionists set about destroying Germany unless it would expel the Jews.

Present some evidence. 

bml00 said:

"has used and lied the above quote so many times it is incredible and now faced with facts he is f..ked totally as usual"

He's been given the reference to it but is still in denial.

The idiot has buggered off as usual his one time favourite "Jews cant be Germans" must be a real bummer to get shown up time and time and time again

BM

Maybe I should butt out, but I am having difficulty understanding this thread. “Jews cannot be Germans”

I once played chess with a man in Kiel Germany who was very proud of his Judaism. 
 

As I perceive things, Jewish is a faith and heritage, German is a nationality- why wouldn’t someone be able to be both?

George Of The Jungle (GOTJ1) said:

As I perceive things, Jewish is a faith and heritage, German is a nationality- why wouldn’t someone be able to be both?

Of course, they should be and are both. 

The slogan is historical from  1930s Germany when the Nazis were trying to turn the German population against Jewish Germans. 

Yes, you'd have thought he'd have adjusted. 

adwil said:

I was momentarily pleased to see an accurate (and referenced) quote from Arendts 'Eichmann in Jerusalem'.   

90% of my assertions and quotes are referenced - and from pro-Zionist sources.

Not so for the real origin of "Jews cannot be Germans", which is still something I was hoping to discover. But your linking it to the Nazis in 1934 is stupid and irrelevant when I've already got it coming from the leader of the Zionists in March 1933 (ie before Hitler had lifted a finger against the Jews).

adwil said:

Then you spoil it all with a stupid piece of anti-Semitism which shows your true motivation.  

I'm not interested in the Jews, except as examples of people victimised by the Nazis - and by the Zionists.

My motivation is to learn the lessons of WW1 and WW2 and try to see that nothing like that happens again.

Your motivation seems to be to deny the evil of the Zionists - while BMs is to incite fear and hatred of Jews.

Hannah Arendt was a serious Zionist philosopher and strikes me as being obsessed with racism. She took it as an article of faith that Jews cannot be Germans. She was still quite clear about it years after the war.

adwil said:

He'll just repeat the same assertions next time he addresses this subject.

I'll repeat two major asssertions I've made in here - that the Gaon of Vilna cannot possibly have driven Zionism since his works were lost for the crucial 188 years.

Hence, BM's assertion that "where as mainstream Judaism had accepted that Jews could not return to Israel BEFORE the arrival of the Messiah The Gaon saw that in fact Jews must be in Israel prior to the arrival of the Messiah" is unproven and unlikely - and irrelevant to his thesis that the Gaon contributed to any part of the creation of Israel.

And if David Irving cheated much in his histories, you've been unable to show me any examples. Every "historian" of WW2 (certainly for the first 30 years) say nothing about the Holocaust!