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New build concentration camps   Africa and the Middle East

Started 10/20/19 by BerrySteph; 4445 views.
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/26/19

adwil said:

I'm unsure that they possess title to the land they settle on. They are/nomadic.

You're just filth who sides with the immigrants against the natives.

And its outragreous to claim that people cannot have communal rights - when graveyards and schools and entire blocks of flats must be returned to Jews in Poland.

bml00

From: bml00

10/26/19

I doubt the Bedouin lived in Apartment blocks or ever went to school , a daft example from the forums Jew Hater 

BM

adwil

From: adwil

10/26/19

BerrySteph said:

when graveyards and schools and entire blocks of flats must be returned to Jews in Poland.

When did that happen?

I know it was planned but hasn't happened because it costs too much.

adwil

From: adwil

10/26/19

The key should be, 'do the housholders have legal title to their houses (shacks whatever)? Do they have planning permission for their buildings.

In the UK, both of these factors could and do lead to houses being demolished.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/27/19

adwil said:

When did that happen?

Late 90s onwards and accelerated, no longer needs court hearings.

Same as it is for the  Bedouin - we want it, we take it.

Remember, the Bedouin are not stateless - they're citizens of Israel.

Very second-class citizens in a vicious land-grabbing apartheid state.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

10/27/19

adwil said:

In the UK, both of these factors could and do lead to houses being demolished.

You're just a very evil person. What you're defending is specifically forbidden by the laws that Israel begged to be subject to in 1949.

bml00

From: bml00

10/27/19

Our correspondent is a liar as is known but also bereft of senses, the Bedouin own nothing they go where they want , crap where they want , leave garbage where they want and then move on.

Their life style in Israel is over , no more plastic tents no more fly infested holes in the ground , it is gone .

BM

adwil

From: adwil

10/27/19

<<When did that happen?>>

"Late 90s onwards and accelerated, no longer needs court hearings."

You're correct there is a law.

Unfortunately the law isn't working and there's little restitution of confiscated properties to either Jewish or Polish citizens.

If families don't have the documents to their confiscated property, they have no claim, even if Polish records show them as owners or occupiers.

If the property was expropriated by the Communist Governments  after the war, no restitution is possible except through Civil Courts because of the Nationalisation Acts and that's expensive and takes a lot of time.

As the Polish Union of Real Estate Property Owners (UREPO) states:  “The unconstitutionality of the nationalization acts, which violate the fundamental principles of the protection of civil rights and liberties…imposes on the current authorities, who explicitly dissociate from the actions of the authorities of the Polish People’s Republic, a legal and moral obligation to provide fair recompense for nationalized property, is a failure to move beyond the injustices of the past, and an unwillingness to instigate the changes necessary to restore stolen property to its rightful owners.”

And (same source): "As of yet, no such recompense has been provided."

 As the Ministry of Foreign Affairs insists: “Most of the real estate nationalized between 1944 and 1962 underwent material and legal transformations which rule out its restitution in kind to former owners.”

Source: https://www.humanityinaction.org/knowledge_detail/roadblocks-to-jewish-restitution-polands-unsettled-property/

There have been suggestions about the sort of compensation the Polish Gov can provide short of restitution of the confiscated property:

"Pawel Szalamacha, Secretary of State at the Ministry of the Treasury from 2006 to 2008, and the current Executive Director of the Sobieski Institute, a Polish socio-political think tank, advocates a more mediated position. “Because restitution of original properties is hardly conceivable, compensation must be paid in liquid form, as cash or government bonds at a reasonable proportion, between 15 and 20%.”

“The millions of hectares of uncultivated, expropriated land still held by Agency for Agricultural Property could be distributed to restitution claimants proportional to the value of their lost property, providing a modified form of natural restoration.”  

Same source.

Donald Tusk promised in 2008 that he would bring in a 'Re-Privatisation Act.

This is how it will work, though nothing has happened, yet. (2017.)

"Former owners will not receive 100% of the value of property, but between 20-25%, depending on whether they choose cash payments or treasury bonds.
The costs of reconstruction and renewal of the property borne by the state, as well as debts encumbering the property before it was seized by the state, will be taken into consideration while assessing the value.
In-kind restitution will not be allowed.
All former owners, their spouses or first line descendants will be given a one-year deadline to submit their claims and, following that term, all claims not submitted will extinguish by operation of law. It will no longer be possible to trade in claims to receive compensation for the property that has been nationalized in breach of law.
The law will cover all reprivatization claims in the entire country, not just in Warsaw. This is intended to close this chapter in the country’s history."

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/material-new-developments-reprivatization-property-warsaw

As of 2017, no payment source or mechanism has been decribed or adopted by the Polish Gov.

You stated that there was a law from the 1990s on that accelerated the process of restitution and, no longer needs court hearings. 

You're right that there is a law, but it isn't actually happening except in a tiny number of cases where the owner of the property can afford to go through the Civil Court and has clear documentary title to their former property.

I have found nothing that says this can be done without court hearings. I would be grateful if you have evidence, you give me a link to it.

I fear that because the proposed 20-25% restitution would cost $20 billion, it will be delayed and delayed by a Gov that wants to spend the billions on other projects.

adwil

From: adwil

10/27/19

BerrySteph said:

What you're defending is specifically forbidden by the laws that Israel begged to be subject to in 1949.

Please provide further details.

adwil

From: adwil

10/27/19

It should be simply a matter of law. The Bedouin own the property or they don't. They have rights guaranteeing their property under Israeli law or they don't. 

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