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Derailed Thread   Africa and the Middle East

Started 11/21/19 by Jenifer (Zarknorph); 65024 views. (Closed)(Closed to new replies)
BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/28/20

RGoss99 said:

being a Jew does not give you any special rights in this debate.

It does if he's blackmailed the management into welcoming his unpleasant supremacism.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/28/20

bml00 said:

Finally it wont go away , the Anti Jewish sentiment is now so deeply engrained in Western Culture it cant be erradicated

http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/UN-Israel-tortures-detained-Palestinian-children-317210

UN: Israel tortures detained Palestinian children

PM attacks 'hypocritical' human rights organizations

Congratulations - your relentless campaign to have the Jews feared and hated has obviously worked.

Is it over-running your neighbours (like the Nazis in Poland) your proudest achievement or is it the persecution of Christians, 75% or 99.94% ethnically cleansed?

How about the kiddy-torturing - is that what makes Israelis so proud?

Jenifer (Zarknorph)
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

2/28/20

BerrySteph said:

Why do you kowtow to these people?

Who?  The anti-defamation League?

I don't even know who they are.

I tend to avoid Leagues of any kind since I heard about Bill Donahue.

PTG (anotherPTG)

From: PTG (anotherPTG)

2/28/20

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RGoss99

From: RGoss99

2/28/20

Pathological Works because when the discrepency between facts/logic and faith gets too great the symptoms of a mental break down in individuals, and social breakdowns in in a society tend to get serious. Trump´s America and Brexit are current examles. What I see in both these cases, is some rather minor issue triggering an administrative acción catering to the base, resulting in an explosión. Using the American example, a flawed electoral process allowed a person who lost the popular vote to become president, and the false concepts of what a state is as represented in the U.S. senate allowed Trump to get a not guilty vote when if one counts the populations of the varios senatorial districts, if the senate represented the population, then the guilty votes would have impeached Trump. For example every state has two senators, but say California has a population 50x greater then Wisconsin, this means that Wisconsin senate votes nullify Californias. (if I have time some day, I would like to do the math on this issue).

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

2/28/20

Easy to see and understand if one is not programmed with filters.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/28/20

Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

Who?  The anti-defamation League? I don't even know who they are.

You're certainly kow-towing to some censorship authority - the ADL are enormously powerful - and clearly despicable racists (even though they've taken down the outrageous results of their survey).

And you're doing the same over the persecution of Assange, which really is putting an end to meaningful free press as we think we've enjoyed.

From now on, handling allegations of war-crimes will get you tortured and locked up for the rest of your natural.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

2/28/20

RGoss99 said:

Pathological Works because when the discrepency between facts/logic and faith gets too great the symptoms of a mental break down in individuals, and social breakdowns in in a society tend to get serious. 

Hmmmmm .... I'm not sure. Pathological individuals can function quite well in society.

RGoss99 said:

... when the discrepency between facts/logic and faith gets too great the symptoms of a mental break down in individuals, and social breakdowns in in a society tend to get serious. Trump´s America and Brexit are current examles. What I see in both these cases, is some rather minor issue triggering an administrative acción catering to the base, resulting in an explosión. 

I think you have that wrong - Trump and Brexit are circling of the wagons against immigration. Both very damaging but not pathological.

RGoss99 said:

Using the American example, a flawed electoral process allowed a person who lost the popular vote to become president

The same thing can happen in civilised societies, though its only happened here once since the war.

Labour won more seats (though fewer votes) than the Conservative Party in the general election in February 1974, which resulted in a hung parliament. As Heath was unable to persuade the Liberals to form a coalition, Wilson returned to 10 Downing Street on 4 March 1974 as Prime Minister of a minority Labour Government. He gained a three-seat majority in another election later that year, on 10 October 1974. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Wilson#Second_period_as_Prime_Minister_(1974%E2%80%9376)

I'm puzzled that it doesn't seem to go "wrong" more often than that, but there's no question it can do so.

RGoss99 said:

Using the American example, a flawed electoral process allowed a person who lost the popular vote to become president, and the false concepts of what a state is as represented in the U.S. senate allowed Trump to get a not guilty vote when if one counts the populations of the varios senatorial districts, if the senate represented the population, then the guilty votes would have impeached Trump. For example every state has two senators, but say California has a population 50x greater then Wisconsin, this means that Wisconsin senate votes nullify Californias. (if I have time some day, I would like to do the math on this issue).

Now, that is interesting and significant. And you've already done part of the work here - http://forums.delphiforums.com/aususuk/messages/751/99

... each state regardless of size or population gets two senators. Here is Wisconsin, which has no natural borders compares with California which pretty much does and has a unique population different from its neighbors (Oregon, Nevada, Arizona). A senator from California (population 39.5) needs 7 California votes to equal one vote for a senator from Wisconsin (population 5.8 million). 

For president, the electoral college combines the false concept of state with population, as each state gets at least three electoral votes, 2 automaticly, and one for population. So California gets 55 electoral votes (2 automaticly plus 53 for population) and Wisconsin gets 10 (2 guaranteed plus 8 for population) This means that  for president it takes 11 California votes to equal 9 Wisconsin votes.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

2/28/20

Obviously you are unaware of the meaning of documentation. All you have provided is a series of facts that remain imaginary until you can document their source. E.G. who took the poll, how as the sample selected, what is thestandard deviation in the results, and what were the actual words used in the question. Any legitimate poll will provide the answers to these questions. Obviously in your ignorance you do not consider these questions important, I and others do. But don´t feel bad, most people like yourselves just stop at the raw numbers that support their pre-existing opinions. Note that in courses I teach where polls are relevant I usually have to spend class time lecturing on what is necessary to know before relying on raw poll numbers. I start by asking the class to design a poll that meets these requirements, and about 90% fail. This is important because it is the way I get their attention when I explain why theirs fail. Most don´t even have a clue as to what an error factor is or the math skills to determine it.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

2/28/20

Where we disagree is the implication of "only (not stated) circling the wagons". To me immigration is a bogus issue aimed at the ignorant electorate. for example, in the U.K. the concept of immigrant in the probrexit mind is not immigrants from the E.U. but those non European immigrants, mostly from former British colonies. It has been mentioned by anti brexit commentators that suppression of E.U. immigration without native UK workers to take their place Will probably result in more 3rd world immigrants to take the place of native E.U. Would a typical British racist real prefer a doctor or nurse from the Indian subcontinent to one from the Netherlands. Brexit is going through because the average Brit has no clue as to he is already benefiting from the U.K. having joined the E.U. Those who have been mostly harmed are not the exploited native Brits, but the native Brittish exploiters, of the Brits. If one looks at some segments of the U.K. population and those of Gibraltar who are against Brexit. many of them via the E.U. have benefited in their struggles against the British establishment. Scotland has taken London to court in the E.U. and succeeded to its Benefit. The pro Britih lement in Gibraltar have no desire to return to England because they have a better life under E.U. rules. Health and nutrition rules under E.U. standards have improved British life generally. Trump is playing the same game blaing immigrants for bogus memes, while himself outsourcing his financial interests to foreign countries. So a bunch of coal miners get work, because Trump is picking on China, but a larger number of farmers are suffering by purchases of their soy crop by China going down. Withput exploiting Mexican laborers American food prices would go up and nutrition down. What native Americans would wait on tables in Trump´s hotels, restaurants, golf courses. 

Not really on topic but related. In Scotland Trump brags about the increased employment based on his latest golf course This is true but as the number of golfers has ramained constant, all this means is relocating staff from one golf course to another, cutting the income in one área, and increasing the infrastructure costs in another which the local tax payers have to pay for, while the profits go into Trump´s bank accounts off shore.

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