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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-28

Turkey and Russia square off in Libya


bml00 said:

..because you dont like the Turks , for me I would like to see both sides knock six bells out of each other

You've been extremely helpful on this subject before, BM.

In December 2010 you were still being diplomatic and trying to sooth the critics of Israel, saying "our ambiguous nuclear situation is not the issue, with or without nuclear capability we are still seeking peace, we have nothing to gain by eternal conflict".

But in June 2011, under Netanyahu and in his addresses to Knesset, Israel committed itself and us to WW3 by declaring that the Middle East was doomed to "eternal conflict".

"By declaring the conflict insoluble, Netanyahu is dooming Israel to live eternally by the sword, leaving no opening for reconciliation and understanding with the Palestinians and the Arab and Muslim world". https://www.haaretz.com/1.5022442

8 weeks later, in August 2011, you told us how pleased you were:

"Israel is fighting 24/7 its enemies, we have planned for eternal strife".

In November you only stepped back slightly, endorsing an evil worthy of Hitler in Poland and Russia:

"the IDF has predicted an eternal conflict with no end and i am unfortunately going to go with their analysis".

It was 8 years before I looked back in the Forum and discovered how well you'd documented the new orthodoxy and had decided on Holocaust II on all the brown people in your neighbourhood.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

Israeli Fighter jet leaving the UK.


You hate me for being right about almost everything.

Especially the history of terrorism by which Israel was founded - there was no possibility of them wanting to be good neighbours.

Ronan Bergman even proudly pinpoints the moment in 1907 when the Zionists dedicated themselves to terrorism:

p.6 - "Rise and Kill First The Secret History of Israel's Targeted Assassinations" - by Ronen Bergman, translated by Ronnie Hope

Herzl himself saw Palestine, the Jews’ ancestral homeland, as the ideal location for a future Jewish state ... a Jewish nation was to survive in peace. Herzl’s view came to be known as political Zionism.

Ben-Zvi and his seven comrades, on the other hand, were - like most other Russian Jews - practical Zionists ... would take what they believed to be rightfully theirs, and they would defend what they had taken.

This put the practical Zionists in immediate conflict with most of the Jews already living in Palestine. As a tiny minority in an Arab land - many of them peddlers and religious scholars and functionaries under the Ottoman regime - they preferred to keep a low profile. Through subservience and compromise and bribery, these established Palestinian Jews had managed to buy themselves relative peace and a measure of security.

But Ben-Zvi and the other newcomers were appalled at the conditions their fellow Jews tolerated ... Arab mobs attacked and plundered Jewish settlements ... had consigned their defense to Arab guards

... Ben-Zvi and his friends found this situation to be unsustainable and intolerable. Some were former members of Russian left-wing revolutionary movements inspired by the People’s Will (Narodnaya Volya), an aggressive anti-tsarist guerrilla movement that employed terrorist tactics, including assassinations.

Disappointed by the abortive 1905 revolution in Russia, which in the end produced only minimal constitutional reforms, some of these socialist revolutionaries, social democrats, and liberals moved to Ottoman Palestine to reestablish a Jewish state.

... Jaffa on September 29, 1907 ... flat was rented by Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, a young Russian who’d immigrated to Ottoman Palestine earlier that year ... That night, those eight people formed the first Hebrew fighting force of the modern age. They decreed that, from then forward, everything would be different from the image of the weak and persecuted Jew all across the globe.

... They named their fledgling army Bar-Giora, after one of the leaders of the Great Jewish Revolt against the Roman Empire, in the first century. On their banner, they paid homage to that ancient rebellion and predicted their future. "In blood and fire Judea fell," it read. "In blood and fire Judea will rise." ... Ben-Zvi would one day be the Jewish nation’s second president.

Ronen Bergman even tells us (above) that these were Russian Jews, from the land of the bomb-throwing anarchists.

He fails to mention that the settlements under attack were then, as now, land-grabbing Zionist enterprises with no use for religion whatsoever.

BAR-GIORA was not, at first, a popular movement. But more Jews arrived in Palestine from Russia and Eastern Europe every year - 35,000 between 1905 and 1914 - bringing with them that same determined philosophy of practical Zionism.

With more like-minded Jews flooding into the Yishuv, as the Jewish community in Palestine was called, Bar-Giora in 1909 was reconstituted into the larger and more aggressive Hashomer (Hebrew for "the Guard"). By 1912, Hashomer was defending fourteen settlements. Yet it was also developing offensive, albeit clandestine, capabilities, preparing for what practical Zionists saw as an inevitable eventual war to take control of Palestine. Hashomer therefore saw itself as the nucleus for a future Jewish army and intelligence service.

Ronen Bergman only hints at the fact the Zionists were totally at odds with the peace-loving Jews of Palestine, overwhelmingly recent immigrants drawn to Palestine in part by the welcoming and tolerant atmosphere. But he does tell remind us that these terrorists not only hated the religious Jews but practised terrorism on them too.

The members of Hashomer who led the Haganah at the outset were even willing to commit acts of violence against fellow Jews. Jacob de Haan was a Dutch-born Haredi - an ultra-Orthodox Jew - living in Jerusalem in the early 1920s. He was a propagandist for the Haredi belief that only the Messiah could establish a Jewish state, that God alone would decide when to return the Jews to their ancestral homeland, and that humans trying to expedite the process were committing a grave sin. In other words, de Haan was a staunch anti-Zionist, and he was surprisingly adept at swaying international opinion. To Yitzhak Ben-Zvi, by now a prominent Haganah leader, that made de Haan dangerous. So he ordered his death.

On June 30, 1924 - just a day before de Haan was to travel to London to ask the British government to reconsider its promise to establish a Jewish nation in Palestine - two assassins shot him three times as he emerged from a synagogue on Jaffa Road in Jerusalem.

That's the real history of the movement that members of this Forum claims to admire.

Ronen Bergman was/is a reporter in Israel and published a big book on this terrorism - with apparent approval from Mossad. He boasts that Israel had carried out 2,700 assassination plots since 1948 (not all successful but many with multiple victims).

I say that Ronen Bergman is boasting on Mossad's behalf, because his efforts are wholly supported by the terrorists, he tell us that he "interviewed hundreds of people in its intelligence a
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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

The Covid Inquiry


RGoss99 said:

Speaking of credibality why do you think the U.S. set up the execution of Sadam and OBL, if not to cover their own butts.

Neither of those people could be put on trial by the US - far too much embarrassing, terrorist, collaboration been going on.

Saddam's blabbing would lead to Iran discovering what the US had done to have him wage the longest war in the 20th century on its innocent neighbour. Big trouble for the US.

And would publicise the three occasions (that's just what we know of, Glaspie, Kelly and Tutmeier) Bush 43 had told Saddm he was free to go ahead and seize Kuwait. Big trouble for the US.

OBL's trial would embarrass the US over the harm they'd done to the Russians - and something else. It appears that the Afghans had been keen to get rid of OBL ever since he'd arrived, penniless, from Sudan. Do you know anything of that?

Or will exchanging (mostly) good information just make Zarknorph very angry?

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

Covid Inquiry


MEDDLY said:

"...Bush 43 41 had told Saddm[sic] he was free to go ahead and seize Kuwait..." In what parallel universe did that happen?

Well known fact - April Glaspie was acting on orders from Bush 41 (George H.W. Bush) when she told Saddam he was free to invade Kuwait. As were Margaret Tutweiler and John Kelly.

12/25/2005 ... Glaspie had her first meeting with Saddam Hussein on July 25, 1990. Glaspie herself had requested the meeting, saying she had an urgent message for the Iraqi president from US President George H. W. Bush (Bush Senior). In her two years as Ambassador to Iraq, it was Glaspie’s first private audience with Saddam Hussein. It was also to be her last. A partial transcript of the meeting is as follows:

... "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. ... Why are your troops massed so very close to Kuwait’s borders?" ..... "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasise the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960s, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."

At a Washington press conference called the next day (July 26, 1990), US State Department spokesperson Margaret Tutweiler was asked by journalists:

"Has the United States sent any type of diplomatic message to the Iraqis about putting 30,000 troops on the border with Kuwait? Has there been any type of protest communicated from the United States government?"

To which Tutweiler responded: "I’m entirely unaware of any such protest."

On July 31, 1990, two days before the Iraqi invasion, John Kelly, Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, testified to Congress that the

"United States has no commitment to defend Kuwait and the US has no intention of defending Kuwait if it is attacked by Iraq."

... On August 2, 1990, eight days after Glaspie’s meeting with the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein’s massed troops invaded Kuwait.

One month later in Baghdad, British journalists obtained the tape and transcript of the Saddam Hussein-April Glaspie meeting on July 25, 1990. In order to verify this astounding information, they attempted to confront Ms Glaspie as she was leaving the US embassy in Baghdad.

Journalist 1: ... "America green-lighted the invasion. At a minimum, you admit signalling Saddam that some aggression was okay - that the US would not oppose a grab of the al-Rumalya oil field, the disputed border strip and the Gulf Islands (including Bubiyan) - territories claimed by Iraq?" http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11376.htm

Did we ever hear April Glaspie's counter-version?

No, we did not.

... In all the years since her meeting with Saddam Hussein, Glaspie has never spoken about it to the media, never appeared as a guest on a TV talk show, never written an article or a book about her time as the US’s top diplomat in Baghdad. The question is: why? What has she got to hide?   Ibid

Proof enough - Saddam was given (publicly in two cases) the green light to invade Kuwait by the US under George Bush Senior.

And there's more - when the news broke of Saddam's 2nd Aug 1990 invasion, George Bush made an entirely non-commital statement about its significance.

It was over 3 weeks later, after the UN had been called and passed UNSC Resolution 655 (25th Aug 1990) condemning the invasion that Margaret Thatcher famously cried “George, this is no time to go wobbly!” (26th Aug 1990) Until then, George Bush Senior had made no demands or threats.

Even then, it took the most outrageous and blatant fraud by Nurse Nariyah to persuade the US public to confront their previously very good friend, Saddam.

Can you think of any war the US has entered into not based on lies or provocations or both?

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

Hong Kong


bml00 said:

The Chinese spy on the US the US spies on everybody

Israel appears to be the worst for spying anywhere in the world - its criminal leader a retired nuclear spy (him and Golda Meir being the only ones ever without physical blood on their hands).

The US is in second place.

Meanwhile, Hong Kong is famous for spying - a "hidden MI6 headquarters at RMS Queen Elizabeth Wreck".

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

Racism


Jenifer (Zarknorph) said:

The video of George Floyd's death, captured by a passer-by, went viral. Within 24 hours local authorities sacked the four officers involved in the arrest. But it begs the question, what might have happened if this didn't take place in broad daylight, writes Kathryn Diss.

Mas murders in broad daylight can be brushed off as "Friendly Fire" - ask BM.

BerrySteph

From: BerrySteph

May-29

Zarknorph behaving more and more badly.

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From: Jenifer (Zarknorph)

May-29

Says the one hijacking as many threads as possible today...

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

May-29

BTW your relocating posts is an example of hijacking and an offence against freedom of speech, and the concept of a forum, which this obviously is not.

RGoss99

From: RGoss99

May-30

Agreed, but to add to this there is the hypocracy of not allowing a fair trial at the neutral world court which was a U.S. creation that the U.S. never joined.

BTW G=G+1 for the prejudice shown by moving it to this site from the main one where it belongs.

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