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Exploring The Design Space   Ammunition <20mm

Started 25/7/15 by NathanielF; 176119 views.

From: Red7272


roguetechie said:

Yes, a 4moa gun that can never be better than that is the closest thing to the best we have...

Given what most assault rifles are used for that isn't too bad. I'm not really a fan of the bullpup either because of the LOP, but as the basis of a good rifle it's an excellent place to start.


From: QuintusO


It has some interesting detail features (the cam system I ripped off for all of my rotary bolt rifles, very good idea), but overall I disagree. It's not a space efficient design.


From: roguetechie


Honestly, my favorite pick for bullpups is still the AUG.

An honest to God super AUG 2.0 could definitely be worth doing but we all know it's never gonna happen.

As far as tavor goes, settling for four moa is a distinctly suboptimal decision no matter how you want to try to spin it in an era when bargain basement AR's that are only partially in spec are genuinely difficult to make shoot that bad...

Like it's just not actually justifiable, so unjustifiable in fact that the country the gun was ostensibly made for doesn't run it in any unit where they're allowed to use anything else.


From: autogun


roguetechie said:

Honestly, my favorite pick for bullpups is still the AUG.

I am fond of that gun, as well. A couple of years ago or so I visited Steyr and had some discussions with them, as well as a detailed presentation on the AUG. What struck me is that this 40-year-old gun is still highly advanced today. I do think that Steyr missed an opportunity, though: instead of developing yet another 5.56 mm AR-15 descendant, they really should have put the money into a 7.62 x 51 AUG. That way, they could have offered armies the opportunity to adopt both 5.56 mm and 7.62 mm rifles/ARs with matched handling - and had something that could easily be converted to 6.5 mm Creedmoor or whatever. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!


From: tidusyuki


Thanks for the links. After looking at those patent images for quite sometime unfortunately i still don't really understand the barrel mating procedure nor how the barrel is supposed to be placed tightly inside the upper. The detailed description has so many engineering terms that are quite hard to grasp either. Mind explaining it to me?

Also I'm just really curious about it. How is the barrel block/trunnion manufactured and attached in the extruded upper?
here in the MCX barrel block there's no visible screws nor pin unlike on those SCAR type rifles.


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From: QuintusO


So the most recent versions of 5.56 Supercruise (which is getting renamed soon for confusion reasons) is outperforming 6.8mm GP for raw energy at 1KM.


From: QuintusO


Supercruise continues to do well:

  • Edited 26 September 2020 18:45  by  QuintusO

From: QuintusO


Many projects have come and gone since the last time I posted here.

Figured there might be some interest in the current effort. M4 retrofit for 6.5 Grendel w/ composite case, including new bolt, barrel, barrel extension, carrier, and magazine.

Recently got done with some FEA on the new bolt design, strength vs the standard 6.5 Grendel bolt is improved by 17%. This allows a higher operating pressure of 75,000 PSI within an AR-15 format. That, combined with the Mk3 VKO design (which recently underwent their first real life flight test), gives us a muzzle velocity of 2,770 ft/s from a 14.5" barrel with a 100gr bullet G7 BC 0.284. This approaches the ballistics of the 6.5 Creedmoor, but does so from the existing small frame format. Round weight is comparable to M855.

Additional improvements to the carrier allow for dramatically improved upper receiver life, Cam pin drag is eliminated, and operating margin greatly improved.

I'm just one guy, so chances are high this project goes nowhere, but I know it's the kind of thing that gets attention around here so I figured I'd mention it.