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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 451406 views.
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

21/10/21

Yeah the closest thing I can think of to this for another object is camera gimbals. It works kinda like those but compressed into a very small form factor that while a bit more limited in it's ability to compensate should be enough to help.

Also since it's acting on the third point of contact between the operator and the rifle with the longest moment arm it can in effect compensate for much greater movements with a much smaller total xyz displacement.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

21/10/21

They can fire at pretty extended ranges on the move at a pretty decent speed over relatively decent terrain yes.

Effectively what limits this is the sampling rate of your instrumentation and the speed/precision of your actuators. 

If you're moving too fast over too rough of ground and firing at too small of a target this can obviously fail but, assuming that you're not doing any of those things yes they can do this.

This is also why things like exact traverse and elevation rates and etc for tanks are strictly controlled information because assuming you had all the right data it would be relatively trivial to figure out the limits of a given tank's abilities to do this 

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

21/10/21

smg762 said...

Can tanks really hit a 1 or 2 mile target while moving briskly? Or do they tend to have to stand still

Depends on the terrain and the target, but these days if the terrain and speed is comfortable for the crew, then the gunnery will be decent. It would still be better from stationary though.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

21/10/21

I wonder how it is going to add to rapid fire capability. But I am optimistic, even without coupling w/ IVAS

stancrist

From: stancrist

21/10/21

It does not look to me like it would improve rapid fire capability.

It appears to correct only for very small changes (~6mm) in aim.

The disruption to aim from weapon recoil can be much greater.

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  • Edited 21 October 2021 22:51  by  stancrist
stancrist

From: stancrist

21/10/21

roguetechie said:

Lol yes you're missing something Stan.

The guy behind that isolator actually posted here I think it's own thread.

Yeah, gatnerd linked to that thread.  I read it earlier today.  It didn't really help.

I'm afraid I still don't see how some hinges and gears can correct weapon aim.

roguetechie said:

His magic box doohickey...

Oh, so it works via magic?  Okay, that sounds reasonable.  sunglasses

stancrist

From: stancrist

21/10/21

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roguetechie

From: roguetechie

22/10/21

You have a valid point about aim disruption especially with 6.8 being freakishly powerful.

And yeah it's basically a magic box doohickey as far as most people, to include me, are concerned.

The way I understand it is that the microcontroller that runs the levers and gears uses a "proprietary" algorithm that's similar to CNC error compensation to try to get you some fraction of the distance you have deviated from where your muzzle should be X times a second (x being the sampling rate of your microcontroller probably somewhere between 20 and 200 times a second)

So if you think of your starting muzzle position as a coordinate in x y z space, when you hit the button the microcontroller assigns a coordinate value to where the muzzle is at that moment. From that point onward the device tries to hold the muzzle onto that x,y,z reference coordinate by doing anywhere from a couple dozen to a couple hundred adjustments per second each of which is going to be a step that's some fraction of the distance between where your muzzle is and where it "should be" (your locked in xyz starting coordinate) each correction may be in all three axes or it may do a thing where it corrects I each axis sequentially depending on exactly how their algorithm handles it.

The reason it will only correct a fraction of the distance at each step has to do with what they're correcting for which is mostly human involuntary movement and because if you try to fully slam the gun back to your xyz reference point in a single motion 20 to 200 times a second the operator will start fighting the corrections resulting in overcorrection and the gun being more and more off it's xyz reference..

This is why I just call it the magic box for short hand.

I wish I had a better understanding of this stuff but this is basically as far as my knowledge goes.

Hopefully this is helpful.

smg762

From: smg762

22/10/21

An integrated bipod would be far more useful...like the current SA80.

also if they had a very fast round (4000+) it would remove the need for fancy optics.

nincomp

From: nincomp

22/10/21

Not necessarily.  A very fast round just allows you to miss at a higher velocity if your aim is not perfect when you pull the trigger.

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