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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 553123 views.
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25/10/21

“however we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year, whereas for the last 3 years all 3 have been present“

Conversely, SIG is not attending SHOT Show this year.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/10/11/sig-sauer-shot-show-2022/amp/

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

25/10/21

If you read his comment he did see an accuracy drop off, he was shooting 3-4 MOA, so it's not out of the question that it's too inaccurate for the stringent requirements set for NGSW, 

"Also the last person we had "come out of USAMU" gifted us with 6.8 SPC", this is great quote 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26/10/21

His comments describe the LSAT/CT ammo as a 'black plastic vienna sausage.' 

Whats interesting is that in the last few years, all of the LSAT/CT ammo Textron has displayed has been a transparent amber color.

So its possible his testing (if it happened) was years ago. His description of the other polymer case he tested as "polymer sidewalls with brass base" is also dated.

Who knows?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26/10/21

In terms of our almost certainly dead True Velocity entrant.

We have one of our clearest photos to date of the RM277, as well as the chance that Guns&Ammo has pressure tested and evaluated the weapon. I'll be on the lookout for this issue.

And heres a photo of the 6.8TV being fired from the M134 Minigun. With its 22" barrel velocity would be over 3000fps. Ah, what could have been...

And another video of them showing off the barrel swap M240 capability for conversion.

6.8 TVC is the FUTURE for the American Warfighter | Next Generation Squad Weapons

True Velocity's 6.8TVC cartridge achieves enhanced ballistic performance over traditional 7.62x51mm while also maintaining safe chamber pressures and because...

stancrist

From: stancrist

26/10/21

gatnerd said:

His comments describe the LSAT/CT ammo as a 'black plastic vienna sausage.' 

Whats interesting is that in the last few years, all of the LSAT/CT ammo Textron has displayed has been a transparent amber color.

So its possible his testing (if it happened) was years ago.

Black CT ammo dates to 2016 and earlier, with the 6.5mm carbine and 7.62mm machine gun.

stancrist

From: stancrist

26/10/21

Gr1ff1th said:

we cannot ignore the fact that only the SIG entry was at AUSA this year

Why can't we?  Is it reasonable to conclude that 2/3 of the contenders for a lucrative contract voluntarily chose to drop out of the competition, because they didn't exhibit their candidate weapons at a trade show?

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

26/10/21

Stan, I do not believe any of the entrants have dropped out, I was just collating the various rumors' around the NGSW, now that we are in the final stretch

stancrist

From: stancrist

26/10/21

Gr1ff1th said:

If you read his comment he did see an accuracy drop off, he was shooting 3-4 MOA, so it's not out of the question that it's too inaccurate for the stringent requirements set for NGSW,

As has been noted, there is justification to question his credibility, so it is not out of the question that accuracy is better than h claims.

Does anyone here know how accurately 6.8 CT ammo shoots?  And have you seen the accuracy specs in the requirements document?

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

26/10/21

I meant when you read Emerics comment reporting the results of his neckless ammo experiment (He said it was 3-4 MOA) and then comparing it to the "USAMU Tester", and yes In an earlier post I attached an image of the draft requirements about the MOA requirement, it seems to be about 1.7 MOA

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