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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 549538 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

10/12/21

EmericD said:

I still have reservations about using a full power 2.8'' cartridge for the PDW + Infantry role, but I'm not the US Army.

Yeah, I have the same reservations.

EmericD said:

If very high pressure cartridges are viable, then a +P+ version of the 6 mm ARC seems to be a better bet.

Concur.  Speaking of which, I have not seen any news on military use of 6mm ARC since the original announcement by Hornady last year.  Am wondering if you -- or anyone else here -- have any new info you can share?

EmericD

From: EmericD

13/12/21

stancrist said:

Speaking of which, I have not seen any news on military use of 6mm ARC since the original announcement by Hornady last year. Am wondering if you -- or anyone else here -- have any new info you can share?

Nothing new.

Ours SF bought rifles & ammo, and plan to do some testing next year.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13/12/21

EmericD said:

Ours SF bought rifles & ammo

Very cool. Can you share what rifles they went with?  

EmericD

From: EmericD

14/12/21

gatnerd said:

Very cool. Can you share what rifles they went with?

The STT-15 rifle with the 18" Proof Research barrel, so they could probably make a direct comparison with the Seekins SP-10 they already use.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

14/12/21

EmericD said:

The STT-15 rifle with the 18" Proof Research barrel, so they could probably make a direct comparison with the Seekins SP-10 they already use

Thank you, thats really interesting. Neither company is one I would have expected - they dont typically get the 'military contract buzz' on online discussions here in the US. 

https://santantactical.com/blog/STT_15_6ARC_6mm_Advanced_Rifle_Cartridge/

Will you be using Hornady ammo as well, or will a EU firm be making the cartridges? 

EmericD

From: EmericD

15/12/21

The Seekins SP-10 performed well during the USSOCOM "Combat Sniper Rifle" program, and other SF in EU are also using this rifle.

For the 6 mm ARC, I think that Hornady ammo will be used initially, but if the guns perform well, you could bet that Sniper Extreme will probably be asked to developp an APFI round and a companion EBB for training.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

15/12/21

Interesting about the Seekins - that seems to have been completely missed by the US civilian shooting community, which normally follows military 'proven' rifles pretty closely. 

In terms of Sniper Extreme, they offer a bunch of cool projectiles it looks like; that Glass Penetrator seems like it would be a solid LEO projectile for defending against vehicle attacks. 

I assume for the APFI, they'd be looking at Tungsten? 

And do you think the 6mm ARC with such a projectile would be viable for defeating Level IV? Or is it mostly for general barrier / vehicle penetration? 

EmericD

From: EmericD

15/12/21

gatnerd said:

I assume for the APFI, they'd be looking at Tungsten?

Yep.

gatnerd said:

And do you think the 6mm ARC with such a projectile would be viable for defeating Level IV? Or is it mostly for general barrier / vehicle penetration?

Not at 600 m, but I think that you could defeat some lvl IV up to 200 m with the 6 mm ARC (and the proper bullet, of course).

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

15/12/21

Pointyglass breakers seem kinda suspect, in my experience sniping tough glass at an angle you want your bullet with a flat tip for minimal trajectory change. This pointy solid just seems to offer less deformation than a jacketed hollow point when shooting through glass so can probably punch taught thicker glass, but its also deflecting much more randomly than flat nosed solid.

Swiss P Tactical -> glass breaker

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

16/12/21

Thats very interesting. A laymen such as myself would have thought pointy tips would slide through glass more easily and therefore be preferable, but apparently thats the opposite. 

I wonder if the same is true for pistol bullets - whether a flat point FMJ would be better through glass than a typical round nose FMJ? 

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