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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 455190 views.
manimal87

From: manimal87

19-Jan

Who will win in NGSW? What do you guys think? 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

19-Jan

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/01/19/beretta-true-velocity-confirm-partnership-announce-civilian-rm277/

True Velocity and global weapon manufacturer Beretta USA announced on Wednesday a strategic partnership in support of potential weapon production stemming from the U.S. Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon program.

In addition to supporting True Velocity in weapon production for NGSW, Beretta USA will also take a leading role in the development of a variant of the RM277 intended for sale to international allies of the United States, as well as a semi-automatic variant of the RM277 rifle intended for civilian sale in the U.S. commercial market. Beretta Defense Technologies (BDT), the alliance of Beretta group companies focused on serving global military and law enforcement customers, will also explore other applications and chamberings of the 6.8TVC commercial cartridge in its extensive firearm portfolio.

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SAAMI board of directors to accept the new cartridge and publish its specifications.

The 6.8TVC is a composite-cased round offering significant weight reduction, improved accuracy, and extended range versus comparable brass-cased cartridges. True Velocity introduced the 6.8TVC cartridge for SAAMI certification at a maximum average pressure of 65,000 psi with a 135-grain bullet at a velocity of 3,000 feet per second. It is the first composite-cased cartridge to be accepted for SAAMI certification.

stancrist

From: stancrist

19-Jan

gatnerd said:

...a strategic partnership in support of potential weapon production...

That sounds rather iffy.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

19-Jan

From a friend at SHOT:

BTW They're getting a full 3350 objective in the rifle version while still retaining backwards compatibility with m240.

Weight is down to 3.5 kg with can for the r version too.

stancrist

From: stancrist

19-Jan

Perhaps I'm misreading the situation, but the fact that SIG and TV are announcing sale of their NGSW guns and ammo on the civilian market before the winner of the NGSW competition is announced, says to me that both SIG and TV expect to lose. 

"Currently being considered for adoption by the US Army" makes a much better sales pitch than "Rejected by the US Army."

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

20-Jan

roguetechie said:

They're getting a full 3350 objective in the rifle version while still retaining backwards compatibility with m240.

3350fps with a 135gr? That would be pretty stupendous. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

20-Jan

I think by now all involved know NGSW project is going no where in regards to adoption by the military. But if put on the market and actually getting some traction , the US army might circle back with a new project that recycles bunch of off shelf offerings . That is a trend when it comes to US military development projects.

stancrist

From: stancrist

20-Jan

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

I think by now all involved know NGSW project is going no where in regards to adoption by the military. 

Hmm.  If NGSW adoption is going nowhere, how do you explain why the Army recently awarded Winchester a $20 million contract regarding NGSW ammo production at Lake City?

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

But if put on the market and actually getting some traction , the US army might circle back with a new project that recycles bunch of off shelf offerings . That is a trend when it comes to US military development projects.

Is it?  Can you cite any examples of US Army small arms programs that resulted in no winner, but one or more of the candidate weapons were later adopted as off-the-shelf items?

  • Edited 21 January 2022 1:26  by  stancrist
EmericD

From: EmericD

21-Jan

stancrist said:

Is it?  Can you cite any examples of US Army small arms programs that resulted in no winner, but one or more of the candidate weapons were later adopted as off-the-shelf items?

Maybe the M203 from the SPIW program, and the ACOG from the ACR program?

But I agree that SIG and TV announcement to release both weapons & ammo on the public market is a kind of "world-first".

We had to wait until the release of the ACR report to find that if HK G11 and Steyr ACR were never pushed to any other military market, it was because the root concept for both gun was not sound.

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