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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 547255 views.
roguetechie

From: roguetechie

20/4/22

You have a point here about us not  necessarily knowing that the TV ammo will work in the sig guns and the February 24th thing.

As far as the video goes t's still online and sig hasn't pulled it down, not that it matters anyway since the army is going to do what it's going to do.

It's going to be very interesting to see where all of this goes from here.

At least we got an AMAZING new optic out of the deal though. The optic is the real bright spot here.

stancrist

From: stancrist

20/4/22

roguetechie said:

As far as the video goes t's still online and sig hasn't pulled it down...

Of course SIG has not pulled it down.  The video is not SIG's to pull down.  It belongs to T&P.

roguetechie said:

It's going to be very interesting to see where all of this goes from here.

At least we got an AMAZING new optic out of the deal though. The optic is the real bright spot here.

Concur on both counts.  sunglasses

Apsyda

From: Apsyda

20/4/22

Perfect being the enemy of good enough on a project that probably doesn't even need to happen is silly if being used as the decision making rationale.

The least they can do on their wundermagnum dream gun, is make sure that its not using an ass-backwards ammo design when that was at least 50% of the project.

stancrist

From: stancrist

20/4/22

Apsyda said:

Perfect being the enemy of good enough on a project that probably doesn't even need to happen is silly if being used as the decision making rationale

No one knows the future.  Only time will tell for certain if NGSW is worth doing, as well as whether or not there is enough time to re-engineer the SIG guns to fire TV ammo before they are needed on the battlefield.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

20/4/22

The Orthopedic-Industrial Complex has purchased Stan!stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye

stancrist

From: stancrist

20/4/22

What, do you have something against a guy making a little cash on the side?  smile

stancrist

From: stancrist

20/4/22

Besides, a rifleman will carry only 11 or 12 of these.  

How much can a dozen plastic magazines weigh?  smiling_imp

Gr1ff1th

From: Gr1ff1th

21/4/22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTYzGuAcaUw

Army press release on the NGSW contract

Takeaways from the first 30 minutes of questions

1. Textron was indeed disqualified prior to the RFP phase of the program for "not meeting requirements", although he was not able to specify which ones (let the speculation commence)
2. SIG apparently had the "most value" for the army
3. They weren't able to confirm whether it could penetrate lvl4 plates
4. It is not intended to replace 5.56 and 7.62 NATO

graylion

From: graylion

21/4/22

What is the point if it is _not_ supposed to replace the NATO standard cartridges???

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

21/4/22

Probably instead of replacing 5.5 & 7.62, 6.8 mm will supplement them..... IF..... it actually is adopted .

7.62 could be kept for vehicles and non infantry use machine guns. Artillery and engineer units have a lot of machine guns that aren't humped around.

6.8 would probably only be used by Infantry, Rangers, Special Forces and maybe dismounted Cavalry.

Artillery, engineers, mortar crews etc. could keep 5.56 as personal weapons. 

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