That was the plan back when they thought they had a good shot at winning the competition. Otherwise, TV is an ammo company rather than a gun company. And trying to sell a fairly mechanically complex bullpup design that lost its trial, is going to be a bother for them I think. At best a few ~$10k rifles are made for whomever is crazy enough to pay that much, and the gun vanishes into the air afterwards.

I wonder whether other nations will adopt it.

Apsyda said:

That was the plan back when they thought they had a good shot at winning the competition.

That still is the plan.  That was posted by TV about a week ago. 

The only apparent difference is that the rifle's name was changed from Genesis to Amicus.

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Apsyda said:

Otherwise, TV is an ammo company rather than a gun company.

TV bought LoneStar.  Which makes TV a gun company as well as an ammo company.

Smokeless powder was the product of French army lab, it wasn't tested by civilians first, it was basically the NGSW of it's day except actually good

Current weight estimate:

SIG rifle = 8.4lbs

SIG Suppressor = 1.19lbs

NGSW Optic ~ 2.2lbs

Total = 11.79lbs

Cartridge weight estimated at 22g.

Lanncer 20rd mag = 6.4oz

Loaded 20rd mag = 1.37lbs

Loaded NGSW= 13.16lbs

It's not actually possible that TV's cases don't work. We've got more TV ammo out in the wild and being shot than we have of sig ammo.

It really is ok to just straight out say the army made an extremely stupid call here.

The world won't end, that's what happened, and all we can hope for now is that whoever in the army is afraid of muh plastic ammo gets fired or reassigned so the army can correct it's course in time.

I don't like saying any of this but this is the truth of the situation as it currently stands 

Gr1ff1th said:

Smokeless powder was the product of French army lab, it wasn't tested by civilians first, it was basically the NGSW of it's day except actually good

Smokeless powder was known before Paul Vieille managed to make it a suitable propellant for small-arms in 1884.

You can find patent for civilian smokeless powder 20 years before Paul Vieille started its own work.

You noticed the most important parts of that press appearance.

The reason they kept coming back to how quickly they made a procurement is because this was the inaugural use of a new procurement model the army is using. The ONLY critical thing army needed to get out of this program was showing this new procurement model to be successful and fast.

This is why both companies got an IDIQ contract at the finals down select.

What this also means is that until that contract with Lonestar/tv is terminated they can technically change their mind while saying the program was successful to Congress.

It is what it is at this point.

roguetechie said:

It's not actually possible that TV's cases don't work.

???  No one said that TV's cases don't work.

roguetechie said:

It really is ok to just straight out say the army made an extremely stupid call here.

What would be stupid is to say the Army "made an extremely stupid call" without knowing the Army's reason(s) for making that call.

EmericD said:

Interesting to see Mr. Sal Fanelli in the video.

I corresponded with Sal Fanelli when he was at FN some years ago, but we never met and I wouldn't recognize him.

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