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4/7/22
Pull-out rather than push-through does make more sense for plastic link. I’ve seen plastic M13 link but apparently it’s not as robust as the metal. Not really a surprise.
18/7/22
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27/7/22
If your M14 flashbacks werent already in effect, I present: SIG working to develop a stamped steel magazine for the NGSW.
https://soldiersystems.net/2022/07/25/sig-sauer-develops-in-house-magazine-production-capability/
In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.
A loaded M14 mag was 1.5-1.62lbs depending on source...
27/7/22
gatnerd said:In the comments, Eric of SSD mentions that the 6.8 projectiles are being harsh on the Lancer mags, which may be a reason for this. Although how they would be worse than M855A1, or how relatively soft steel would be much better against Hardened steel / Tunsgten, is an open question.
Other possible reasons for SIG developing in-house magazine production:
- Eliminate reliance on Lancer.
- Increase SIG profits.
28/7/22
Oh, those are absolute factors to bring manufacturing in-house, and are totally legit.
But, whats very odd here is the choice of steel for the in-house 6.8 mags.
-Polymer mags are much easier to mass manufacture and are cheaper to produce compared to steel mags (so higher profit margin for SIG)
-Polymer is much lighter and is what most modern rifle mags are made of
-Magpul Gen 3 mags have already shown a 100% polymer mag works well with EPR when designed for it
28/7/22
Maybe things doesn't scale up / down so easily.
Maybe a polymer mag that is OK with a 12 g cartridge and an impulse of 6 N.s, will struggle to maintain the same level of performance with a round nearly twice as heavy and the increased impulse & recoil velocity?
The M80A1 is mainly used in guns that don't have polymer mags.
28/7/22
EmericD said:The M80A1 is mainly used in guns that don't have polymer mags
The Armys new squad DMR CSASS uses a polymer mag; I havent heard that it will use special match ammo so I assume it would use M80A1?
28/7/22
gatnerd said:The Armys new squad DMR CSASS uses a polymer mag; I havent heard that it will use special match ammo so I assume it would use M80A1?
Or maybe M118LR?
28/7/22
gatnerd said:The Armys new squad DMR CSASS uses a polymer mag; I havent heard that it will use special match ammo so I assume it would use M80A1?
Looks like they use M118LR. Note 0:10-0:20 in https://youtu.be/meIJgWZ-CTM?t=10
Also: "SIG Sauer initially developed a ballistic drop compensating (BDC) reticle for the M80A1 round at the Army's request... Later, the Army requested (and now issues) a BDC reticle developed for M118LR..." SIG Sauer Tango6T 1-6x24mm Review - Guns and Ammo