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NGSW Phase 2 Consolidation and info   Small Arms <20mm

Started 30/8/19 by gatnerd; 478703 views.
taschoene

From: taschoene

4/9/19

I think they're doing something interesting with that belt box.  Note that it's covered in fabric material.  I suspect it is intended to be attached to a load-bearing vest using the same post interface that holds the box to the gun.  That means there is no pouch to shove the box into; the shooter just pulls a new box off the vest and slaps it onto the gun.

stancrist

From: stancrist

4/9/19

I think you're mistaken.  The top photo in post #19 shows what appear to be mag pouches for both the LMG and rifle.

The use of fabric for construction of the belt container just follows the current practice with the M249 and other LMGs.

stancrist

From: stancrist

4/9/19

gatnerd said...

Yes, the feed device is unusual.  It appears to be an open top box, similar to a regular LMG ammo box.

But, it appears to have a vertical "feed tower" in order for it to be inserted into a mag well on the LMG. If that's the case, I suspect the ammo boxes are going to be unnecessary bulky in pouches, due to the need to accommodate the ~2" vertical feed tower. Similar to the problem with storing AR compatible drum mags.

Perhaps.  We would need to see what the feed device looks like by itself.  If it does have a bulky tower, that could be problematical, since it appears to be a belt-fed-only weapon, unable to use box magazines.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4/9/19

Those are great pics Stan. Is there another release of pics from Sig?

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4/9/19

"Indeed SiG's carbine entry looks like a short barrel marksman rifle more than an assault rifle. A weapon intended for careful and precise shooting."

Sort of.

The SIG NGSW appears to be a modified version of the SIG MCX-MR, a 7.62x51 version of the Sig MCX that was developed for the CSASS competition.

MCX-MR 7.62 vs MCX 5.56:

http://soldiersystems.net/2015/01/19/shot-show-sig-range-day-csass-submission/

https://www.recoilweb.com/recoil-exclusive-sig-sauer-csass-the-mcx-mr-65405.html

So indeed, the rifles origin is as a DMR. 

But as their NGSW submission has a 13" barrel, and the goal of the NGSW is a M4 replacement, I imagine that while its probably impractically powerful and recoiling to be a Assault Rifle, that is what they are submitting it as. 

  • Edited 04 September 2019 23:52  by  gatnerd
stancrist

From: stancrist

4/9/19

gatnerd said...

Those are great pics Stan. Is there another release of pics from Sig?

It would seem so.  The pics are from this article:  https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/sig-sauer-army-ngsw-machine-gun-rifle-contract/

stancrist

From: stancrist

4/9/19

gatnerd said...

But as their NGSW submission has a 13" barrel, and the goal of the NGSW is a M4 replacement, I imagine that while its probably impractically powerful and recoiling to be a Assault Rifle, that is what they are submitting it as.

To pick a nit, it's being submitted as a Rifle, not an "Assault Rifle".

  • Edited 04 September 2019 23:36  by  stancrist
gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4/9/19

"Perhaps.  We would need to see what the feed device looks like by itself.  If it does have a bulky tower, that could be problematical, since it appears to be a belt-fed-only weapon, unable to use box magazines."

Thank you for the Gunsamerica link.

Per the article:

"The machine gun looks fairly compact and feeds from a linked belt of ammunition as well as from detachable magazines."

This makes sense, as from past coverage, it seems the Marine's are wedded to the 'IAR' mag fed machine gun idea. And weapons like the M249 also include a provision for feeding from magazines as a backup.

So this configuration kills to birds with one stone. It offers a palatable IAR (really more BAR at this point) weapon for the Marine's, while also allowing a true LMG configuration should they come to their senses. And it also allows LMG gunners to use rifle mags in an emergency.  

It also explains the weird 'feed tower' box attachment system. Hopefully they design the feed tower to 'fold' for storage, and then snap into a locked vertical configuration in use. Similar to a modern car key:

stancrist

From: stancrist

5/9/19

gatnerd said...

Per the article:

"The machine gun looks fairly compact and feeds from a linked belt of ammunition as well as from detachable magazines."

This makes sense, as from past coverage, it seems the Marine's are wedded to the 'IAR' mag fed machine gun idea. And weapons like the M249 also include a provision for feeding from magazines as a backup.

So this configuration kills to birds with one stone. It offers a palatable IAR (really more BAR at this point) weapon for the Marine's, while also allowing a true LMG configuration should they come to their senses. And it also allows LMG gunners to use rifle mags in an emergency.

Yes, I saw that remark.  I would caution against assuming that just because it says so in a non-technical article, does not mean that it is a factually correct statement.

I think the author erroneously assumed that the LMG can feed from rifle magazines, because the weapon lacks a proper mag well, and there is no visible mag release.

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

5/9/19

I meant that it is similar to SiG recent range of assault rifle products, with a different back receiver than AR-15 and with the possibility of mounting a folding stock

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