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LMAO Germany adopts an AR-15   Small Arms <20mm

Started 14/9/20 by QuintusO; 132635 views.
SiverSurfeR

From: SiverSurfeR

15-Jan

In Spain, the G-36E was proposed to be purchased in a different color finish to reduce the thermal signature. Extra expenses and the lack of "martial" looks on parade killed the idea. Fast forward a few years and coyote tan and the likes became the all rage...

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

15-Jan

In fairness to the G36, it did well in this review:

The G36 (Bundeswehr Spec) - The modern symbol of a unified Germany; feat. the TommyBuilt T36 clone

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It also faired well in the infamous 'mud test' done by Forgotten Weapons / Inrange; this same mud killed my beloved AUG and has stopped a number of other rifle designs.

Mud Test: G36

In this video we mud test the infamous G36. Technically this is is a Tommy Built T36, American receiver and mostly German parts (enough American parts to m...

poliorcetes

From: poliorcetes

3-Feb

Actually parades were part of the decision and "hasta aquí puedo leer" (this is as far as I can read). In retrospect, the G-36 was not the best decision for the Kingdom's Army.

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

5-Feb

So the Court ruling against Haenel  affect , CR223 manufactured-in-the-period-of-january-2014-to-may-2018  .

I has under an impression that the holes in breach of the HK patent were on the bolt carrier , but no it seems they are drain holes on the buffer tube.

https://www.cg-haenel.de/en/statement-patent-related-recall-of-the-haenel-cr223-rifles-manufactured-in-the-period-of-january-2014-to-may-2018/

Statement: Patent related recall of the HAENEL CR223 rifles manufactured in the period of January 2014 to May 2018

HAENEL is obligated by the Regional Court (LG) in Düsseldorf by a patent law judgement dated the 16.11.2021 (Case No. 4a O 68/20, confirmed by the Higher Regional Court of Düsseldorf, Case No. I-15 U 59/21) to recall the CR223 rifles marketed since 01.01.2014.

The court found that these rifles infringe a HECKLER & KOCH patent specific to the holes in the locking catches and at the bottom of the buffer tube so that water can drain from the tube quickly.

Since the last press reporting presents the facts in a way that is misleading and incomprehensible to the public, HAENEL would like to explain the situation in more detail below:

Most of the CR223 rifles currently in use are not affected by the ruling and are therefore in no need to be recalled.

Most of our customers are using a CR223 model that was manufactured as of June 2018 and has an altered version of the buffer tube which does not have the said holes that the LG and now the OLG have ruled on.

Background:

  • In February 2018, HECKLER & KOCH had issued a warning to our company for a patent infringement by the then CR223 model. Up to that point, HAENEL was not aware of HECKLER & KOCH’s asserted patent.
  • Following this, HAENEL immediately commissioned a patent attorney to check the patent. It was found that the recoil spring tube had holes in accordance with the HECKLER & KOCH patent.
  • To circumvent any possible patent disputes, Haenel immediately changed the design of the buffer tube of the CR223, as early as June 2018.

This recall only affects specific rifles of the CR223 series (2014/2018) delivered from 2014 until May 2018. A small number of rifles may have been delivered in June 2018. The models affected by the recall can be recognised by the presence of several holes in the locking catches and at the bottom of the buffer tube. Three off-centre holes at the bottom of the buffer tube are particularly noticeable and easily recognisable.

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Mar

The balancedrecoil buffer i mentioned has now been unveiled on IWA show. Part is designed as a drop-in component for a standard ar15 buffer tube ,like counterbalanced Ak uses rack and pinion drive , 

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QZcF-QEl9AU

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Mar

That looks extremely cool man, thanks for sharing.

Look forward to seeing how it performs, and if its legit and makes it to the US, I plan on buying one. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Mar

A friend of mine that developed it had it running for almost a year before he patented and launched it  . Will likely be availible trough his US webshop https://usa-shop.armanov.com/

Initaly it was developed for PCCs ,but now also for other AR15 formats.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Mar

Have you shot it? If so how effective was it?

mpopenker

From: mpopenker

3-Mar

So, everything old is new again ;)

The balanced action is more than a century old, and has not proved to be sufficiently effective despite numerous efforts to implement it. For military use, it is too expensive and too dirt-sensitive and maintenance-heavy; for sport shooters, gas regulators and lightened bolt carries do the same trick at a much lesser cost.

But some ideas just refuse to die.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-Mar

I havent shot it , but i am sure our resident tacticool gearwhores  Polenar Tactical will soon be making some tests , as will folks from TFB that are like BFF with Polenar Tacticool 

As for the whole balanced action thing , this thing was mainly developed for IPSC and likes ,  and being an aftermarket drop in part for any Ar15 with a standard buffer tube , its not the same a dedicated balanced recoil actions its part you can choose to use or not without  any modifications needed so could also be tested side by side more viably than a dedicated counter balanced action . I do not expect it being used by the military but we will definetly have it tested by them . While Slovenia is a small (2mio folks) we do have great firearms industry also thanks to probably the best gun laws in EU , lots of new stuff being developed and the military is also eager to get on board with these things.

As far as i am aware there are plans to develop a dedicated bolt carrier and later a PCC, so that buffer mechanism would be engaged all the time, AR15 PCCs that are mostly not to well behaved blow back bolt types Are extremely popular right now as comps and practice can be held on pistol ranges.

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