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XM-25 here we go again...   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 9/11/20 by autogun; 15286 views.
stancrist

From: stancrist

24/11/20

roguetechie said:

I gotta be honest, I'm a little confused by this entire topic and a bunch of the rampant and wild speculation since it's really obvious from...some recent army presentations...

Got link(s)?

renatohm

From: renatohm

24/11/20

No worries, the document you found is a treasure!

In reply toRe: msg 127
Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

Red7272 said:

Is Eyrx still a thing. Seems like the ideal direct fire support for platoon with a MP or thermobaric warhead.

Still only 600 metre range.

Metis though has matured into a much better AT system with a thermobaric warhead option, so the Russians are ahead as usual. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K115-2_Metis-M

EmericD

From: EmericD

25/11/20

Yes, the Eryx is pretty short ranged, but that's a consequence of the need to engage fast mobile targets at very short range (~50 m).

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

EmericD said:

Yes, the Eryx is pretty short ranged, but that's a consequence of the need to engage fast mobile targets at very short range (~50 m).

Yup, actually being designed to replace the super bazooka means it is meant to work at what would appear to be very short ranges for an ATGM. 

The MMP (from wiki) does appear to be the system intended for blowing up houses though, suggesting  that the Javelin might be the place to start for an equivalent US system. 

Likewise the NLAW (wiki) appears like a place to start as well with a longer ranged munition.

RovingPedant

From: RovingPedant

25/11/20

NLAW is closer to the Eryx in terms of concept of use.

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

RovingPedant said:

NLAW is closer to the Eryx in terms of concept of use.

Yup, but does it actually work is another question. In the context of this thread though is how would they work as the basis of a platoon/company level asset for blowing up a house. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

25/11/20

Red7272 said:

In the context of this thread though is how would they work as the basis of a platoon/company level asset for blowing up a house.

???  This thread is about the US Army's proposed Precision Grenadier System, a squad weapon primarily for use against enemy personnel.

How is a hypothetical platoon/company weapon capable of blowing up a house relevant?

Red7272

From: Red7272

25/11/20

stancrist said:

???  This thread is about the US Army's proposed Precision Grenadier System, a squad weapon primarily for use against enemy personnel.

This thread is called that but it has been about whether the LAW or CG can fill that role better, with their 500 to 1000 gram warhead. NLOS is meant to hit a moving target at 600 metres so the potential for it to hit a stationary point target at 1500 metres is there. it's warhead is also several kilograms and so has potential for both personnel in the open and blowing up a house and runs at about 1/10th the cost of a Javelin.

roguetechie

From: roguetechie

25/11/20

Here's one that goes with an army futures command presentation from this year.

https://youtu.be/a5thfHTbOrg

It's pretty obviously what they want for this particular application which strikes me as them wanting a better Barrett for AMR and etc duties.

The xm25 combined with what they're doing with ivas ngsw fc envg-b fws I and fws cs makes a lot of sense when viewed from the lens of that.

And when you look at the situation now, the technical roadblocks that kinda kept all this from being feasible practical and useful in the past have very much evaporated.

In my view, xm25 redux is even a good thing as it indicates a sea change and a focus on getting more HE down to lower organizational levels.

It's definitely not the only tool I'd want to see given to people but in it's niche it now has the potential to be a pretty good tool.

Hopefully it's followed up by a modernized 40x46 and 40x51 hedp etc including in MV varieties for infantry high angle medium range needs as well as a nice suite of bigger meaner products for weapons platoons and etc.

All in all though, the last four years have been shockingly productive at actually getting some forever on their way projects into the field or over the line to lrip etc. One can only hope that this trend continues over the next four years and we don't go back to nothing but a lot of talk power points and notifications of schedule slippage/cancellations like the 16 years before the last four.

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