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XM-25 here we go again...   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 9/11/20 by autogun; 17020 views.
Refleks

From: Refleks

21/11/20

Your weapons squad still needs GPMGs because the best position to support and overwatch your maneuver element is rarely with the maneuver element, and if they are with the maneuver element they're slowing everyone down (a bit of a moot point in places like Afghanistan since everyone is loaded down like mules moving to contact with approach loads anyway, but that will get you killed against a competent enemy)

graylion

From: graylion

21/11/20

I think the GPMG will be supplanted by the LWMMG in the weapons platoon. And maybe a 51mm recoilless gun? 

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

21/11/20

Well, the US Marines are going to 84mm for every platoon..

stancrist

From: stancrist

21/11/20

Farmplinker said:

Well, the US Marines are going to 84mm for every squad.

FIFY.   ;^)   https://youtu.be/jfVxspzh0Pg?t=75

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

21/11/20

Is there an existing 51mm recoiless rifle?

graylion

From: graylion

22/11/20

Not that I am aware

stancrist

From: stancrist

22/11/20

In that case, how about 57mm?  Gun and ammo do exist.

The design and construction just need to be modernized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsM8EtBZ-EQ

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

22/11/20

I have thought before a scaled down Carl Gustaf might be useful. 

Something like 66mm, akin to the LAW, but reloadable and more accurate. Similar to the relationship between the 84mm AT4 disposable and 84mm Carl.

66mm is .786 of 84mm, so just taking the M4 weights and multiplying by .786 as a guestimate: 

84mm

Carl Gustaf M4= 14.55lbs

Aimpoint FCS13RE = 3.53lbs

HE 441D Airburst = 6.83lbs

x3= 20.5lbs

= 38.53lbs

66mm

Carl Gustaf 'M66' =  11.44lbs

Aimpoint FCS13RE = 3.53lbs

66mm Airburst = 5.37lbs

x3 = 16.11lbs (x4 = 21.48lbs)

= 31.08lbs / x4 36.45lbs

Red7272

From: Red7272

22/11/20

gatnerd said:

I have thought before a scaled down Carl Gustaf might be useful. 

Nope it would be a dumb idea. 84 mm isn't very big and the weight is steadily coming down. A drop in calibre would give up all pretence of being anti armour. 

RPG 16 went the route of a higher velocity to increase range and accuracy

https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/russia-grenade-launchers/rpg-16-eng/

Airtronic went super lightweight materials. accuracy is poop but for launching guided projectiles it would be a starting point. 

https://modernfirearms.net/en/grenade-launchers/u-s-a-grenade-launchers/airtronic-rpg-7-eng/

Brute force and ignorance was the Breda folgore. This is a quite old system now and could be dramatically improved with lighter materials and more moder projectiles. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breda_Folgore#:~:text=The%20Folgore%20(Thunderbolt)%20is%20an,the%20Italian%20Army%20in%201986.

The endless search for super lightweight systems because troops are apparently too stupid to use a transport really needs to die.

  • Edited 22 November 2020 20:18  by  Red7272
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