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XM-25 here we go again...   Army Guns 20+mm

Started 9/11/20 by autogun; 15924 views.
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graylion

From: graylion

23/11/20

It was perfectly clear to me that he was insulting the leadership. This is called sarcasm.

Red7272

From: Red7272

23/11/20

DavidPawley said:

Or are you making stuff up in order to create your "throwaway insult"?

Well the US and France have the same number of wheeled APCs but one army is 10 times the size of the other. 

UK is another colonial power so doesn't count.

Czech just bought 1200 Toyota hilux so that will be fixed soon (military hardware not much of a priority it seems)

Canada and Netherlands I'm out of date on equipment.

And it was a very casual insult.

renatohm

From: renatohm

23/11/20

No, I don't think that the difference would be substantial.

For example, the M20 Super Bazooka and the M67 recoil less rifle both launched 89-90 mm grenades, and their weight was very similar - 4 and 4.2 kg respectively, a mere 5% weight difference.

M20 is interesting - 6 kg for the weapon + 4 kg each round. The M67 weapon weighs a humongous 17 kg!

As for 66 mm LAW, the rocket weighs .9 kg and the package weighs 2.5 kg.

The 84 mm AT4 M136 rocket weighs 1.8 kg for a package weight of 6.7 kg (8 for the CS version).

Rocket weight difference is 50%, very close to the 48.5% I mentioned above.

  • Edited 23 November 2020 11:48  by  renatohm
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

23/11/20

The US is buying a bunch of modified Chevy pickups.

The reason why US troops walk so much is because they are often in 1. Vehicle unfriendly terrain, and 2. To get out and talk to the locals. This is the root of the problem of overloading of troops, and won't go away.

stancrist

From: stancrist

23/11/20

graylion said:

It was perfectly clear to me that he was insulting the leadership. This is called sarcasm.

You're right.  I don't know why I didn't see it before.  Calling the troops stupid actually means that the leadership is stupid.

stancrist

From: stancrist

23/11/20

renatohm said:

M20 is interesting - 6 kg for the weapon + 4 kg each round. The M67 weapon weighs a humongous 17 kg!

That's understandable.  The difference between a rocket launcher and a gun.  The M20 is subject to negligible combustion pressure, so it can be a thin-walled, lightweight tube, whereas the chamber and barrel of the M67 have to contain much higher pressures, so they had to be much thicker and heavier.

stancrist

From: stancrist

23/11/20

gatnerd said:

...is there any reason to think that a Gustav 66mm warhead would be smaller then 66mm HE warhead on the LAW?

Depends on the design parameters.  If the 84mm 441D warhead were scaled down to 66mm, it would be a lot smaller than the 66mm M72E11 warhead.

graylion

From: graylion

23/11/20

I clearly have to explain it because you are too wrapped up in you sense if indignation. 

"The brass are yet again trying to fix a non existent problem, because they are assuming that the troops are too daft to use transport"

So there is the insult to the brass. That is what his statement means and what I clearly read. Get over yourself.

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