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Modern tanks against insurgents   General Army topics

Started 17/2/21 by autogun; 11917 views.
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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-Nov

Well it seems those charges are magnetic

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stancrist

From: stancrist

3-Nov

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Well it seems those charges are magnetic

Hmm.  That video causes me to think the guy in the first video was too frightened to emplace the device correctly.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-Nov

Looking at the second video , and seein these have magnetic attach capabilty ,i imagine the indeed the first vid with the charge laying was not optimal , but its in the heat of the battle and Merkava hull is so high its hard to reach ,

In many ways Merkava IV is primarily a counterinsurgency tank ,unlike previous generation Merkavas that were still meant to deal with enemy tanks , Merkava IV is is much more all round protected vs frontal arc of a typical tanks, and its mostly protection against Mines, RPGs and ATGMs. And given the Palestinian DIY armory IDF of course feels rather secure buttoned up under armor 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-Nov

Second best army in Gaza is getting schooled in urban warfare , look at them all buttoned up in their apcs , no infantry to be seen

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stancrist

From: stancrist

4-Nov

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

all buttoned up in their apcs , no infantry to be seen

Fascinating.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4-Nov

Excellent video compilation.

I'm interested to see how effective those tandem RPG warheads prove. Could end up being the new standard 'ghetto blaster' anti tank weapon on a budget. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-Nov

PG-7VR is a 64/105-mm tandem HEAT rocket , penetrates  600 mm of armour behind ERA and 750 mm without ERA; Its already a standard ghettoblaster , you can see the palestinians practicaly only use that one as they need to deal with better protected targets.(at least against Chemical attacks) i can imagine DIY version Palestinians use is a bit reduced in capability . 

In any case so far the jury is still out on Trophy, only one potential activation is seen on the video and in all other Hamas videos before have no APS intercepts, given it a 1mio+$ add on its kinda lame  It might be better suited to use in Ukraine , but i have a feeling it will not work out in urban battle.

So the whole theory we will make light tanks and rely on APS look suspect at present.

In any case reading some of the Israeli testimonies on October 7th attacks , i suspect APU and larger batteries come next to  Merkava upgrades

With first attack Hamas managed to neutralize only a few tanks, while the others gradually failed throughout the day (by the evening 10 out of 18 stationed in Gaza border area were destroyed).

Many of the 10 Merkavas lost in the initial attack had early mobility kills (drone drop on engine deck and crews all buttoned up ran out of battery juice and were down to hand cranking the turret while Hamas attacked them

RPGs and hand-placed charges penetrated multiple Mekravas and Namer and Azahrit, at least 18 tankers died under armor while bunch are still missing and considered captured

Of course, they tell tall tales of 3000 heavily armed and how they killed at least 300 with these tanks before Hamas finished them off.  While IDF Uvalce cops were shiting their pants for next 8+ hours before mounting first armed response .

Refleks

From: Refleks

4-Nov

To be fair, APS engagement can be difficult to discern since the detonation happens very close to the vehicle and it's hard to differentiate a safely detonated rocket with one that impacts particularly when there aren't secondaries / fire or the video cuts off immediately after.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

4-Nov

In any case none of the soldiers first-hand accounts of the battles they are publishing to placate the public so that IDF doesnt look like  Uvalde Cops , there is no mention of the effective work of "Meil Ruach" aka Trophy by any of the tankers. 

There is just a mention that many attacks on videos are outside the Trophy engagement envelope and that we do not know how many Trophy radars got knocked out by gunfire or RPG blasts as hits might come faster than Trophy can reload.

stancrist

From: stancrist

7-Nov

Israeli tank shoots down two Hamas rockets with 'Trophy' defence system during an attack in Gaza

Israel's 'trophy' defence system takes out two Hamas rockets during an attack in Gaza.Intense first-person footage shows two Merkava tanks fighting in Gaza. ...

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