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Sweden & Finland look to 7.62x51 as primary infantry rifle    Small Arms <20mm

Started 10/11/21 by gatnerd; 17138 views.
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

11/4/23

No more MP7s?cry

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/4/23

AFAIK, neither Sweden nor Finland use the MP7.  Perhaps you are conflating them with Norway?

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

11/4/23

There was a comment in the article that Sweden wouldn't need to use the MP7 for a PDW. I took it to mean they were using it or were planning to, until they realized a short-barreled 5.56 would be better most of the time.

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/4/23

“It’s a conscious decision on the part of both Sweden and Finland that we want a family of firearms where the controls are the same. Instead of having for example an MP7 [as PDW], as assault rifle an AR-platform, and a third weapon as a designated marksman rifle, you get the benefit of if you know one weapon you know all three.”

That is only a hypothetical example.  It is not what either country currently uses.

Sweden's assault rifle is a modified FNC and Finland uses a version of the AK-47.

17thfabn

From: 17thfabn

11/4/23

Wouldn't you expect to have a lot more 5.56 issued than 7.62? I would expect that artillery, mortar, engineers etc. would generally carry 5.56 and there tend to be a lot more of them than infantry and scouts. 

From a U.S. prospective the support forces would still have a good number of 7.62, .50 cal and 40 mm grenade launcher mounted on their  vehicles. 

stancrist

From: stancrist

11/4/23

17thfabn said:

From a U.S. prospective the support forces would still have a good number of 7.62, .50 cal and 40 mm grenade launcher mounted on their  vehicles.

That's true, at least initially.  But if 6.8x51 gets fully fielded and meets expectations, I wonder if 7.62x51 will remain in service or be replaced by the former.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

12/4/23

6.8 for Close Combat; 5.56 and 7.62 for everyone else, except SOF using 6.5 and 8.6 (.338). Maximum chance for having standardized cartridges, but still screw up ammo distribution, without naming everything "M1"

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Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

12/4/23

It seems the  7.62x51 as general purpose rifle is bit of fake news

From what we are seeing ordered it is standard 5.56x45 for most of the soldiers  .Order signed yesterday by MPK (reservist organization) with Sako for 1.6mio Eur worth of rifles is all 5.56x45 rifles (semi auto version)of as those ordered by Armed forces ,that will be delivered to MPK in 2024.

If army would be ordering 7.62x51 MPK would to .So you can be near 100% army is not buying 7.62x51 outside DMR and SSR roles

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

13/4/23

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

It seems the  7.62x51 as general purpose rifle is bit of fake news

That's for Finland:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/04/12/national-defence-training-association-of-finland-mpk-rifles-from-sako/

In the Corporal Fisk article, he mentions that Sweden is going all in on the 7.62+5.56, but Finland is still evaluating its options. 

Given Finland currently uses 7.62x39, I can see them going to 5.56, as thats already a longer range upgrade. 

Especially if they place an emphasis on having each soldier carry a M72 LAW or similar, I could see them not wanting the weight of 7.62 battle rifles. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

13/4/23

I have in past participated in a number of MPK hosted events in Finland. Its truly impressive what a small 'non profit' organization like MPK is capable of , its basically maintains proficiency of thousands of reservists at less than 500k $ a year through some 200 courses it host per year, all volunteer work only covering expenses.

New rifles are definitely an unexpected expenditure as they just bought new Aks in Korea 2y ago . Note these purchases were in a way forced by new firearms legislation that banned high-capacity mags and folding stocks for non-reservists.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/09/finnish-reservists-buy-new-aks-from-south-korea/

Sweden , do know the reasoning aside from inertia, in any case, our Finn colleagues always joked Sweden is ready to fight to last Finn and then hoist a white or rainbow flag and surrender.

I seems i have to start making some phone calls to Finland about some barely used AKsstuck_out_tongue_winking_eye

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