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If any guided weapon were launched in the hundreds it would be problematic.
The swarming situation is going to get ugly and it's only a matter of time before we face them.
What's worse is that neither the Turks nor especially the Chinese have the moral aversion to fully autonomous swarm weapons that we have.
As a matter of fact both Chinese sources themselves and think tanks point out that fully autonomous swarming technology is downright psychologically and sociologically a necessity in the eyes of China.
While westerners may view china through the lens of mao threatening to send another million men if the first million died in Korea, the Chinese are actually remarkably casualty averse these days.
They're also even more so the industrial engine powering the world these days than the US could have claimed to be during WW2.
What this means for us is tricky because just out producing them is outright out of the question.
There's also the fact that China is wildly mercantilist so it's not like we have to directly face off with china to face off against their swarms.
These things will proliferate and we need to find ways to deal with them quickly.
So what you're saying is if someone invented a bicopter flying hand grenade and started producing them en masse we'd be in trouble?
Im not going to dig through my saved images for it but the chicoms we're showing exactly that at zhuhai this year and from what I could see they looked cheap and cheerful enough to be a real problem even before I saw the pictures of the launch canisters that they can loft them with.
From the looks of it they've optimized these little shits to be worryingly cheap and to be used in swarms.
By making a canister launch version technically they can even go cheaper and lower swap c on the motors for extended flight time/engagement range and just plain the ability to put up a much denser net of them
As more and more “almost-ESAPI” Chinese plates are being bought by non-state agressive actors of all kinds, more and more sUAS will be bought by the same. China doesn’t need to launch locust-like swarms of sUAS against any Western country. It’s just needed to offer them capable and dirt-cheap UAS components. Software is already on the wild as it is open source.
I envision a tragic Pearl Harbour-like event in which a small swarm of drones causes a catastrophe in human lives, material damage and national moral. It will happen either in Europe or against a NATO mission somewhere. After that, politicians will rally and security forces will be forced to stop the EW wishful thinking of stopping sUAS just cutting RC links in 2.4Ghz or GPS jamming them. Both land forces and civilian police and security will ask for quick solution as they did, for instance, when suddenly they realized that MRAP were needed when the IED grows.
Nowadays in most of Western countries we are in denial of such events, just because they have never happened in Europe or north of Rio Grande. Investments in other C-sUAS resources are ridicule, and just thinking in layers of C-sUAS resources is beyond acceptability.
I would say that such sUAS are just not enough off-the-shelves and cheap. The red line is defined by a total cost lower than the cost of a 155mm round
You don't need a military UAS to cause chaos in civilian activities. You don't even need a drone - just a report of one. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident
Actually I'm researching on weaponization of off-the-shelves small UAS. The threat is quite dire and sooner or later there will be a Pearl Harbour-like moment in continental Europe
A "Pearl Harbour-like moment" doesn't seem to have the same meaning it once did.
I couldn't agree more, unless the drones are autonomous and relatively sophisticated, they will be very vulnerable to RF noise jamming (the inverse square law really comes in handy here), if deployed against any advanced force. If you are really sneaky you may even be able to get the drone to release its payload on launch and kill the bad actors.
Where drones may cause a 'Pearl Harbour' like moment is an attack on a high value unprepared soft target, let's hope that precautions are in hand.