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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 186451 views.
schnuersi

From: schnuersi

22-Aug

gatnerd said:

I'm not too hip with German politics as a whole, but as a nuclear power fan, I've come across many an article about the Greens absurdly dogmatic anti-nuclear stance. Which of course is anything but 'green' as nuclear is the most successful carbon free energy production method.

This is one of the sympthomes of their mindset. They are driven by their dogma wich in turn is based on fear. This results in them being unable to think things trough, accept scientific and techological reality and prevent any realistic long term planing and strategy.
If their well meant "plans" fail, which they allways do, they do not rethink but only react agry and try to force the matter.
They lack common sense and a lot of them do think the end justifies the means. Which reaults in extreme and anti democratic behavious. Its really the fundamentalist mindset.
The Greens also are and have been part of several state governments. Again they allways failed and are failing. They run the state down. Cause massive problems and loss of wealth without anything to show for.

The irony is the Greens in general are actually making the climate change problem worse and prevent any realistic approch to a solution. It would be rediculous if it wasn't that sad.

gatnerd said:

This anti nuclear dogma apparently extends to viewing Lignite Coal - one of the most C02 emitting of all power sources - as 'greener' then coal.

No that is not really it. The brown coal power plants are just the last coal plants that are still locally supplied. Since the regular coal production has been shut down allready. The brown coal strip mining is highly automatised and very efficient. Its basically the cheapest method of power generation by far. This fact is the reason why these are the last large scale coal plants which are still running. They are used to compensate for the enourmus price of the renewable. To keep the price of electricity bearable.
There also further factors. I grew up and currently live in the far West of Germany. The western strip mining area is not far from my home town (~40 km). Its a very rual region with little industry. Once the coal mines and power plants are shut down the region will face an economic nosedive. The resulting problem will be massive and last for decades. If they can be adressed at all.
The Greens do not like the brown coal but they had to swallow the fact that it will be run for a couple more years. There simply is no alternative. Never the less they try to throw sand into the gears at every possible opportunity. Following their mindset: why do we need powerplants, electricity can be drawn from a wall socket.

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

22-Aug

The miners and power plant technicians can all work in wind and solar!

Of course, when you point out to certain people that 1. it won't employ as many people, and 2. The fewer jobs will pay less to the workers, they accuse you of being a "climate denier".

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

22-Aug

Farmplinker said:

The miners and power plant technicians can all work in wind and solar!

No they can't and they won't.
For starters the wind and solars would have to be in the same area as the coal mines and power plants have been befor. Which is not a given and rather unlikely.
Second they would require intense retraining. Again its not a give that the people want that. After all they propably wanted to be coal miners and power plant engineers and liked this kind of work.
The mobility of german workers, concidering the workplace and field of work is traditionally very, very low. Once they become established and settled wich is usually ~30 years of age they will most likely not move or change carrer anymore.
There is precedent for this BTW. Its nothing new. When the coal mines and most steel and heavy industry in the Ruhrgebiet was closed down the entire region fell into a deep hole. It has not yet recovered. After more than three decades. Unemployment is conciderable above average for Germany. Wages are conciderable lower than average. Allmost all communities and town are dead broke and are running into dept more and more. Young people with good education and training leave. This is resulting in shortages in skilled labour. Which causes even more industry to move away. Resulting in less taxes for the communities. Its a down ward spiral. With no end in sight. There isn't even a proper concept or strategy to change that.
The second large scale precedent is most of East Germany. Its basically exactly the same there.

Farmplinker said:

Of course, when you point out to certain people that 1. it won't employ as many people, and 2. The fewer jobs will pay less to the workers, they accuse you of being a "climate denier".

This is exactly the attitude I talk about.
Besides the fact that it is true the entire idea to "stop climate change" is false. It can not be stopped. Thinking the one country, like Germany, or even the entire EU has impact on the word wide CO2 emissions or could change anything is either ignorant or illusions of grandour. This is what ultimately prevents a sensible approach and strategy.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

23-Aug

Latest stats I had seen have the entire EU responsible for 6% of global carbon emissions ( vs 11% US and 27% China).

So these sort of draconian restrictions (banning new combustion cars, etc) being proposed in the EU seem really disconnected from reality. Basically risking the entire economy for - assuming total success - at best a 6% reduction in global carbon output. Which will almost certainly be replaced with new Coal plants installed in China and India.

Yet the issue is discussed as if the EUs climate plan is key to saving the world.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

24-Aug

EU is getting ever more authoritarian and an unelected commission just steamrolls any and all opposition . The most of the policies last couple of years are about compliance . Gree agenda ,firearms controls, digital identity , digital currency , if someone would have waken up from a coma he went in the 90's most of europe and US wouldnt seem much of a democracies. A fucking 21st century caricature of Supreme Soviet.

While i believe in climate change , i dont subscribe to it being wholly or even mostly manmade let alone being something that we need to manage, the climate changed many times over the past couple of millennia that we can chronicle  in human records, civilisations rose and fell due to climate changes but these days we are able to produce food in abundance despite climate challenges and we should learn to live with it to harden the infrastructure, economy and society  to changes in climate not tax and regulate folks into poverty on the altar of climate change.

EU bureaucrats are a collection of absolute morons with Ursula von der Layeren as a prime example of inept politican that come to head of EU commission in an back room deal

graylion

From: graylion

25-Aug

Clusterbombs used in UA

Hundreds of civilians killed by cluster bombs in Ukraine | DW News

A global report says Russia has used cluster bombs extensively, most of which have killed or wounded civilians. Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, ...

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

25-Aug

This is the usual spin to make the other side look bad. The video contains little information and is basically just an opion piece.

Cluster munitions are NOT illegal. Just because some nations voluntarily stopped to use them there is no legal obligations for other countries. It is that simple.

Its also plain and simple a myth that cluster munitions are more dangerous to civillians than conventional munitions.
They claimed more than 600 civillians have been injured by cluster munitions. In the same time how many civillians have been injured by conventional munitions? Where have the cluster munitions been used? How many military targets have been destroyed in these cluster munition attacks? How many attacks have there been in total? How high is the colateral damage quota in general either cluster or conventional munitions.
Such questions must be answered to evaluate the danger potential for civillians. Not just some numbers out of context.

BTW.: the refusal to use cluster munitions by the countries who decided to do so is based on the fact that cluster munitions potentially can have lots of duds. Which work like landmines and can contaminate huge areas. The ban on cluster munitions is directly linked to the ban on landmines. The argument has never been "civillians can get injured". If a conventional 500 lbs bomb is dropped over a civillian target like a city chance are the conventional large bomb will kille more people than a cluster bomb of the same weight would do.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

25-Aug

Indeed both sides use both cluster bombs , mines and incendiary (WP) , none are illegal, on the other hand, you see even though much of the west voluntary stopped use of them they still had plenty in storage, as you see mines from just about every country in Europe in use in Ukraine which means 'voluntary' ban on use was always a bit of virtue signaling everyone would use them if push came to shove otherwise there wouldn't be any of them in stocks.

Ukraine supposedly disposed much of their mine stock in 2020 as a signatory of the Ottawa convention on the prohibition of the use of landmines yet you see they liberally use landmines of all types. Particularly problematic are old soviet mines that do not have autodestruct mechanisms so stay active practically for decades.

MLRS launched Butterfly mines are particularly popular.PFM-1 don't have autodestruct are plastic cased so can last for decades.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

26-Aug

Ukraine purchased in Taiwan via Poland considerable number of these revolved drones

I am not sure why this revolver type dispenser would be used by drone designer  va vertical hanging mines  , to me it seems weight distribuition can vary even more with this revolver not to mention revolver weighs 7kg

Typical vertical dispenser

Revolver type mortar mine dispenser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VzYQw0HbZ8

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