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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 211794 views.
DavidPawley

From: DavidPawley

1-Dec

Pathetic attempt at moral equivalence with your constant whataboutism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

is not remotely comparable to 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian forces[4] on 17 July 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed.[5] Contact with the aircraft, a Boeing 777-200ER, was lost when it was about 50 km (31 mi) from the Ukraine–Russia border, and wreckage from the aircraft fell near Hrabove in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine, 40 km (25 mi) from the border.[6] The shoot-down occurred during the war in Donbas over territory controlled by Russian separatist forces.[7]

The responsibility for investigation was delegated to the Dutch Safety Board (DSB) and the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT), who in 2016 reported that the airliner had been downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[3][8] The JIT found that the Buk originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation[9]
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Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

1-Dec

For Libya, it helped a lot of Europe was even more gung-ho to intervene than we were.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Dec

Alright gang, let's call a pause to the politicking, and return to weapons discussion. 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

1-Dec

Nice discussion of Gepard in Ukraine:

Hopefully Germany or another country will create a modernized version using AHEAD/Proximity airburst and modern digital interface / updated radar / IRST sensors. 

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

I don't see any discussion just GepardKomandant monologue

But here is a summary from the Katar Gepard test . lets just say if these adventures were for paying customers with the veteran crew and full industry support in what amounts to a simple range days , a hastily trained crew in Ukrainian conditions with limited field support might not be even close to how much they can actually squeeze from the Gepard .

https://www.fla2.de/_downloads/Katar-2018-final.pdf

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound using computer algorithms to filter the data. Unknown what kind of output comes from the system .(just a general warning system or something that actually triangulates source positions) 

Ukrainian Zvook(translates - Sound) is an AI project that combines a hardware and software system capable of acoustically detecting cruise missiles, helicopters, drones and enemy fighters at low and medium altitudes. Today, about 40 Zvook units are already operating on the territory of Ukraine.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

2-Dec

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound using computer algorithms to filter the data. Unknown what kind of output comes from the system .(just a general warning system or something that actually triangulates source positions) 

To my knowledge acoustic detection and ranging never has been gone. It has just been overshadowed by more fancy and easy to use systems like counter battery radar.
During my service time artillery units still had "Schallmesstrupps" literally acoustic or sound measuring teams. Truck mounted. These would operate close behind the frontline and send targeting data for counter battery fire. Or with COBRA or RASIT radar data available provide data to find out what echoes are artillery or tell the radars where to look.
There also has been a standard issue munition for the flare gun for that purpose. It would just rise above the treeline and generate a loud bang and bright flash. The sound detection guys could easily pick that up and use it for calibration, testing or training.
I am not sure if the measuring teams are still in existence though.

The huge advantage of this is of course that the system is 100 % passive and there is virtually no hiding from it. If artillery fires they do make noise and create a flash. I do know that in the past there also have been "pyrotechnical noise generators" to create the acoustic and optic signature for fake artillery positions.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

Gunfire locators

Mandatory equipment in every ghetto in the US

And now increasingly common on armored vehicles

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Dec

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound

Reminds me of these pre-radar sound 'tubas' for hearing approaching aircraft:

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