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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 216389 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

I don't see any discussion just GepardKomandant monologue

But here is a summary from the Katar Gepard test . lets just say if these adventures were for paying customers with the veteran crew and full industry support in what amounts to a simple range days , a hastily trained crew in Ukrainian conditions with limited field support might not be even close to how much they can actually squeeze from the Gepard .

https://www.fla2.de/_downloads/Katar-2018-final.pdf

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound using computer algorithms to filter the data. Unknown what kind of output comes from the system .(just a general warning system or something that actually triangulates source positions) 

Ukrainian Zvook(translates - Sound) is an AI project that combines a hardware and software system capable of acoustically detecting cruise missiles, helicopters, drones and enemy fighters at low and medium altitudes. Today, about 40 Zvook units are already operating on the territory of Ukraine.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

2-Dec

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound using computer algorithms to filter the data. Unknown what kind of output comes from the system .(just a general warning system or something that actually triangulates source positions) 

To my knowledge acoustic detection and ranging never has been gone. It has just been overshadowed by more fancy and easy to use systems like counter battery radar.
During my service time artillery units still had "Schallmesstrupps" literally acoustic or sound measuring teams. Truck mounted. These would operate close behind the frontline and send targeting data for counter battery fire. Or with COBRA or RASIT radar data available provide data to find out what echoes are artillery or tell the radars where to look.
There also has been a standard issue munition for the flare gun for that purpose. It would just rise above the treeline and generate a loud bang and bright flash. The sound detection guys could easily pick that up and use it for calibration, testing or training.
I am not sure if the measuring teams are still in existence though.

The huge advantage of this is of course that the system is 100 % passive and there is virtually no hiding from it. If artillery fires they do make noise and create a flash. I do know that in the past there also have been "pyrotechnical noise generators" to create the acoustic and optic signature for fake artillery positions.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

2-Dec

Gunfire locators

Mandatory equipment in every ghetto in the US

And now increasingly common on armored vehicles

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

2-Dec

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound

Reminds me of these pre-radar sound 'tubas' for hearing approaching aircraft:

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

2-Dec

I found a video published by the Bundeswehr in 2019.
So the acoustic detection and ranging is still a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmBg3Mxh1Q

No exactly spectacular. Lots of talking (in German) but you can see the equipment. Which is rather traditional and looks pretty '90 to me. But it seems to work.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

3-Dec

Silent mortar , it fires a captive piston grenade 

1st public footage of use of Russian 2B25 "Gall" Silent mortar in Ukraine

1st public footage of use of Russian 2B25 "Gall" Silent mortar in Ukraine

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

4-Dec

MG3 in action; unlike the video from a few months ago, this one looks to have the proper ~1200rpm ROF:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zbfif4/ukrainian_soldier_firing_a_mg3_in_combat_ukraine/

Quadcopter destroys small ammo dump of shells; still a huge blast:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zaw9ih/ukrainian_drone_blows_up_another_russian_ammo/

Discussion of some of the problems of using radios at the smaller unit level for Russia:

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

4-Dec

gatnerd said:

MG3 in action; unlike the video from a few months ago, this one looks to have the proper ~1200rpm ROF:

Yes its a German one. The gunner also uses the typical modern German 120 rds prepacked with disentegrating belt, throw away box.
Its also pretty likely that he received some training in Germany or at least German trained people have been involved in his training. This is one of the very few videos where a MG3 in LMG mode is used in the correct way, as intended.
Rapid aimed bursts.
I would love to read about the experiences and opinions of the UA users of the MG3. Especailly if they also have experience with other GPMGs.

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