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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion
From: schnuersi
2-Dec
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound using computer algorithms to filter the data. Unknown what kind of output comes from the system .(just a general warning system or something that actually triangulates source positions)
To my knowledge acoustic detection and ranging never has been gone. It has just been overshadowed by more fancy and easy to use systems like counter battery radar.
During my service time artillery units still had "Schallmesstrupps" literally acoustic or sound measuring teams. Truck mounted. These would operate close behind the frontline and send targeting data for counter battery fire. Or with COBRA or RASIT radar data available provide data to find out what echoes are artillery or tell the radars where to look.
There also has been a standard issue munition for the flare gun for that purpose. It would just rise above the treeline and generate a loud bang and bright flash. The sound detection guys could easily pick that up and use it for calibration, testing or training.
I am not sure if the measuring teams are still in existence though.
The huge advantage of this is of course that the system is 100 % passive and there is virtually no hiding from it. If artillery fires they do make noise and create a flash. I do know that in the past there also have been "pyrotechnical noise generators" to create the acoustic and optic signature for fake artillery positions.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
2-Dec
Gunfire locators
Mandatory equipment in every ghetto in the US
And now increasingly common on armored vehicles
From: gatnerd
2-Dec
Mr. T (MrT4) said:Something new , a everything old is new again, location by sound
Reminds me of these pre-radar sound 'tubas' for hearing approaching aircraft:
From: gatnerd
2-Dec
Another drone vs drone fight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zaflxh/russian_uav_drops_grenade_on_ukrainian_uavs/
From: schnuersi
2-Dec
I found a video published by the Bundeswehr in 2019.
So the acoustic detection and ranging is still a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmBg3Mxh1Q
No exactly spectacular. Lots of talking (in German) but you can see the equipment. Which is rather traditional and looks pretty '90 to me. But it seems to work.
From: Mr. T (MrT4)
3-Dec
Silent mortar , it fires a captive piston grenade
1st public footage of use of Russian 2B25 "Gall" Silent mortar in Ukraine
From: gatnerd
4-Dec
MG3 in action; unlike the video from a few months ago, this one looks to have the proper ~1200rpm ROF:
Quadcopter destroys small ammo dump of shells; still a huge blast:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zaw9ih/ukrainian_drone_blows_up_another_russian_ammo/
Discussion of some of the problems of using radios at the smaller unit level for Russia:
From: schnuersi
4-Dec
gatnerd said:MG3 in action; unlike the video from a few months ago, this one looks to have the proper ~1200rpm ROF:
Yes its a German one. The gunner also uses the typical modern German 120 rds prepacked with disentegrating belt, throw away box.
Its also pretty likely that he received some training in Germany or at least German trained people have been involved in his training. This is one of the very few videos where a MG3 in LMG mode is used in the correct way, as intended.
Rapid aimed bursts.
I would love to read about the experiences and opinions of the UA users of the MG3. Especailly if they also have experience with other GPMGs.
From: gatnerd
4-Dec
schnuersi said:ts also pretty likely that he received some training in Germany or at least German trained people have been involved in his training.
It's funny, when this MG3 video was shared, in the comments there was a link to Germans cross training with the US with machine guns.
Pretty amusing to see the Germans firing the M2 .50 like it was a MG3, resulting in 1-2rd bursts due to the slow rof:
it's a machine gunreal amateur editing skills with my take on the old memeIt's not an original concept as others have made this before.Music: Erika March
From: gatnerd
4-Dec
Reportedly, one of the most requested items from Ukraine is more Gepards, suggesting (despite some skepticism on this) they work pretty well.
Per the same article, the UK is also planning to provide some towed AA systems (perhaps Bofors?)
