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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 242466 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

24-Jan

There is no free lunch iarms no matter who suplies it ,our neigbour Croatia has taken some (89 includin some as spare parts donours) of these 'free'  Bradleys , ended up with half a 757mio$ in upgrades and servicing by BAE contractors for 76Bradelys so while these 'nearly free' Bradleys cost cca 150mio$ with US subsidizing 50mio$,, all up they are looking at 850mio $ and change for 76 updated ones .

Its only free if you let it rust in a yard. All these ringtausch Leopards will eventually get modernized 5-10mio s a pop and most of the $ will ultimately get paid to German firms that make stuff for  Leopard. If these countries are not first forced to ship these Leopards to Ukraine. 

What you suggest in regards of ITAR is true but you are now looking at countries that are completely disarmed in some areas and no supplier able to fill the needs in short term, i imagine ROK is maxed out with Norwegian and Polish orders. Indeed US industry similarly to European has no capacity but you can bet your money will be magnitudes faster to ramp up, but the difference is stocks, It was relatively easy to ''make'' Leopards as long as there were stocks of them in the parking lot.

When the decision comes M1 will be sent and no one will be bothered with fuel consumption. Ukraine operates T80 with similar fuel burn.

this company alone cut up cca 19.000 armored vehicles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRNqbnolV4c&t=4s

Bayonets don't seem to find use in Ukraine at all i  dont remember seeing them mounted by anyone.

https://t.me/milinfolive/95979

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-Jan

Rare and impressive video of BMP Terminator - high ROF:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/10k1lel/bmpt_terminator/

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-Jan

  • Edited 25 January 2023 23:30  by  gatnerd
Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

26-Jan

Well, the T-72 hasn't exactly covered itself in glory. So giving yours to Ukraine and replacing them with M1Ax, K2, or Leopard seems like a good idea.

And most Europeans would prefer being under the American thumb than the Russian one.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Jan

FPV drone + RPG7 warhead = poor mans ATGM

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

26-Jan

It seems a larger Lancet 10 with more range and payload apeared

Chicken wire seems to be somewhat of counter to suicidedrones 

Note grenades from two grenade launchers hitting the trees very close  in  due to a higher trajectory in comparison to the 30mm 

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36884

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/76471

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

26-Jan

“Chicken wire seems to be somewhat of counter to suicidedrones“

Nyet Net > Cope Cage

Its funny, I had thought months ago nets would be a possible counter to the smaller drones. I had envisioned the nets used in baseball stadiums and Golf driving ranges to catch stray balls. However using chain link fence seems like a fine DIY option.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

27-Jan

More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary 

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

27-Jan

gatnerd said:

More BMPT Terminator action. This thing would be really scary

I am not convinced that the footage is from actual combat. To me it seems like they are just shooting up some trees.

The whole concepts to me seems more flawed as time goes on.
In UA ACs have been proven themself to be very potent and effective. But you don't need a tank to carry one as main weapon. Dual guns also seem unnecessary unless we talk about AA use where ROF is very important.
 

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