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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 278788 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

23-Mar

Chicken wire trench upgrades, to protect from bomblets dropped from drones. on the videos they test it by drone drop and bomblet just bonuces of

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

23-Mar

Yesss, nyet net intensifies.

I had thought very early into the drone dropping that some sort of small net would become a crucial layer of defense. 

Ideally in a professional future net, they'd probably want something like Technora line rather then wire, so as to not pose a fragmentation addition.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

24-Mar

Ukraine effect: reality of munitions expenditures during HIC prompting massive increase in investment in US munitions stockpiles and productions.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/military-weapons-ukraine-war.html

https://archive.ph/0cT55

Farmplinker

From: Farmplinker

25-Mar

1. Both sides rely on atrocity propaganda. Ukrainian sources report on attacks on power plants, and this gets amplified in Western media. This despite the fact that YES KAREN, ENERGY GRIDS ARE LEGITIMATE TARGETS. The Russians exhibit amazing concern about the accuracy of Ukrainian artillery.

2. Cluster munitions are great!

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-Mar

Farmplinker said:

Cluster munitions are great!

Make DPICM Great Again 

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

25-Mar

https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1639398206252433408

Normally we see the grenades that hit the ground typically produce leg wounds, or wounds that result in soldiers able to walk/crawl away. 

This accidental airburst however resulted in 3 KIA more or less instantly. 

This suggests airburst grenades, either fired from grenade launchers, or future micro-airburst drone munitions, would be dramatically more lethal then impact activated munitions. Not just better at defeating barriers. 

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

25-Mar

Farmplinker said:

Ukrainian sources report on attacks on power plants, and this gets amplified in Western media. This despite the fact that YES KAREN, ENERGY GRIDS ARE LEGITIMATE TARGETS.

Well, it is not that easy. While theoretically you are right if powerplants are viewed as part of the industrial infrastructure they are legitemate targets. But if view as essential part of the civillian infrastructure for water supply and heating of housing for example they are not.
Its basically a judgement call and dependent on the details.
The heating problem for example is linked to the time of the year and the place. In Iraq not so much of a problem. In UA in winter it is a problem.
 

Farmplinker said:

2. Cluster munitions are great!

I agree.
Unfortunately in 2008 there have been several whiny non experts who decided they should be legally banned. Which of course found overwelming support in the press (also whiny far left winged non experts). So effectively cluster munitions are illegal in some places and not inothers. In UA they are not and for the RU and UA armed fores they are not... but such detailes stopped to matter for the press a long, long time ago.

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

25-Mar

gatnerd said:

Make DPICM Great Again

Fuck DPICM!

We want MW-1 back!

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

25-Mar

Best footage that is used to propagate ''targeting civilains'' narative are the Ukrainan Sams slamming into apartments.  I would bet money that more apartments were hit by stray SAMs than Russian missiles stray or intentional

''Russia has been reported to have converted the S-300 from its original use as a long-range antiaircraft weapon into a missile for ground attacks because of a shortage of other, more suitable weapons.'' grin

When you see the exhaust vapor trail all the way to a target , its an Ukrainan SAM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17777650/moment-russian-missile-smashes-kyiv-apartment/

Parhaps the most disturbing development of Ukraine propaganda war , besides the death porn sites like the Sun (folks mostly don't understand that Sun video posts are literaly paid advertising) but that is hardly unanticipated considering the same folks ran PR for ISIS and AQada by posting all those beheadings , generating consent is what this is called.  ,  is the extreme willingness of Ukrainan goverment to sell own casualties as Russian ones for clicks and donations. If you skip the whole indestructible paint (Z letters on burned out vehicles ) and edited pictures, shot down planes or helicopters ,on more personal level they were literally showing bodies of Ukrainan marines fallen on Snake island as Russian casualties, only tell was the British inflatable wests around their bodies and if things are not to obvious in terms of id , drone strikes on own are quite readily sold 

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