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Ukraine weapons thread General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 277205 views.

Msg 1632 of 1910 to Mr. T (MrT4)MrT4

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From: Farmplinker

26-Mar

2 tanks per shift, 3 shifts per day, 5 day week= 30 per week x 48 weeks ( 4 weeks off for factory maintenance) = 1,440 refurbished tanks, so pretty close.

Msg 1633 of 1910 to schnuersischnuersi

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That is the whole point T55 is AK47 of tank world and plentiful around the world,but not in Russia , Having spare parts available throughout the world hardly matters, and in all practical terms T62 has a huge parts commonality with T55 , practically compete drivetrain,From what i can read in Russian forums, T55 stock is near non existant (some sources claim less than 300in total) as is T55 100mm ammo in comparison to 115mm. (Note tanks on the train are actualy T54 so pre-nuclear, as such possibly virgin stock.

T62 is rare outside Russia but vastly outnumbers T55 stocks in Russia,T62 was constantly rebuilt and upgraded in the Soviet Union trough 80's and 90s while the T55 stocks were not ,T62 has superseded T55 since 105mm canon became NATO mainstay. T62M was also being upgraded in numbers for Syria , last order for modernization of T62MV was issued in 2021. pre Ukraine war , they did not bother with T55 , Up to 1991 T62 was kept as a Reserve type , was used in Afghan ,Chechen and Georgian wars so its quite obvious its the 'ersatz' tank since ever.

And like said we know of a contract for 800 T62 to be rebuilt to T62M, and none in regards to T54/55 , so till there is some more data besides a photo on the railcar its hard to deduce much else.

Also remember 7 main factories produce 52 or so different types of armored vehicles , while more than 20 repair plants can handle simple refits like T62M , its about adding 'production' capacity without actually producing the parts. Same as the German scrapyard that cut 500 or so pieces of armor per year , was cannibalizing useful parts all the time and those parts will now be used in any refurbishment programs.

And the end of the day Leopard1 being upgraded by the German industry fits the same mold and we hardly see ridiculing articles about 60y old tanks being refurbished for Ukraine, instead we are seeing articles about modern western tanks for Ukraine.

Edited 26 March 2023 12:22 by Mr. T (MrT4)

Msg 1634 of 1910 to gatnerdgatnerd

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From: schnuersi

26-Mar

gatnerd said:
I've thought a few times that a modern version, based either as a stealth drone or big cruise missile / glide munition, would be worth pursuing.

You mean like this:

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Deutsche Aerospace Dws-39

A new generation air to ground area (cluster bomb)

The follow up developments of MW-1 where killed by the cluster munitions ban as well.

Msg 1635 of 1910 to schnuersischnuersi

In reply toRe: msg 1634

From: gatnerd

27-Mar

Yes similar to that or the JSOW, but larger sized to replicate the payload of MW-1.

Msg 1636 of 1910

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From: gatnerd

27-Mar

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Msg 1637 of 1910

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From: gatnerd

28-Mar

Very interesting list of supplies requested for a drone unit in UA:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/OFFICIAL-Russo-Ukrainian-War-/5-2499714/?page=3779#i103448452

Many components suggest use in DIY munitions, such as a request for 2000kg of 3-6mm steel balls, or 4mm laser cut shrapnel. 25mm thinwall pipe also seems like the core for a VOG type DIY banger.