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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 356575 views.
farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

5-May

Your comment has made Airtronics very sad.wink

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gatnerd

From: gatnerd

6-May

Spectacular and hellish video of incendiary ammo arriving in a city:

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

6-May

Spat over shells for Wagner will likely not be resolved , it seems the top brass is quite content with Wagner being pulled of the Bakhmut front line after they have done most of the work , only something like 5% of the city still in Ukrainan hands with all access roads under fire.

Wagner boss said they lost 1000 soldiers KIA in a month in Bakhmut , but eastimates7000-8000KIA Ukrainian losses  to Wagners artillery heavy advance

Kadirovs forces will be taking over

 We are starting to transfer positions, Bakhmut will undoubtedly be taken by Akhmat forces

“I thank Ramzan Akhmatovich for agreeing, having, most likely, the opportunity to obtain everything necessary and all the necessary resources, to take our positions in Bakhmut. I am already contacting his representatives in order to start transferring positions immediately, so that on May 10, at 00.00, exactly at the moment when, according to our calculations, we will completely exhaust our combat potential, our comrades will take our places and continue the assault the village of Bakhmut. A little more than two square kilometers remained in Bakhmut. Bakhmut will be taken, no doubt, by the forces of "Akhmat".

The Washington Post releases new documents from US intelligence leaks. They concern the conflict between Prigozhin and the Russian Ministry of Defense, which escalated again.

The leaks date back to February when Wagner's handler had already started blaming the military for a shortage of ammunition for his PMC. Data was obtained through wiretapping and message interception.

The documents show that "the Russian military leadership was frustrated by Prigozhin's harsh public attacks and discussed how to suppress his criticism."

Also, officials of the Russian Defense Ministry "were not sure that it was possible to successfully wage an information war against Prigozhin if the government did not prohibit him from making public statements."

CIA military sources in Russia "couldn't say unequivocally" whether Wagner received ammunition because it was not distributed directly from the ministry but through a task force in Bakhmut. At the same time, the sources admitted that "Prigozhin's statements may be true."

One of the documents for February 12 stated that the head of the General Staff Gerasimov "ordered to stop the supply of ammunition, as well as military transport flights intended for the transport of ammunition" to the Rostov headquarters of the PMC (we note that on February 23, Prigozhin announced that the problem had been resolved and the shipment of shells for Wagner resumed).

After Prigozhin's public claims, he was summoned to a meeting with Putin and Shoigu on February 22. The day before, the curator of the PMC asked the President of Russia to allow him to continue recruiting from prisons, to train the mobilized and recruit foreigners, in particular, Afghans, into Wagner.

But Putin essentially refused. "The document, citing FSB interceptions, says that Putin ordered Prigozhin to resolve these issues with the Ministry of Defense taking the side of his generals and not Chief Wagner," the publication reports.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

6-May

As for light weight RPG7

IT seems no one is really buying in quantity the fancier light weight RPG7 , Airtronics also made a Light weight composite version that was also around 4.2kg , but none have been seen in the wild , and these carbon RPGs are made for a company that otherwise manufactures classic RPGs and carbon ones are only build in token numbers.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

6-May

Patriot interception of Kinzhal air launched ballistic / 'hypersonic' missile:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-kyiv-claims-patriot-intercepted-kinzhal-air-launched-ballistic-missile

Next evolution of the Cope Cage; this one might actually work fairly well compared to previous generations of 'monkey bar' coverings.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-tank-debuts-cope-cage-covered-in-explosive-reactive-armor

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

7-May

Shutdown if it actually happened (you never know considering BS coming out of Kiev daily, typically in style we downed 30 of 36 missiles, and two lines later missiles struck in 18 cities) ,“Patriot is 41 for 42: 42 Scuds engaged, 41 intercepted,” George H.W. Bush on February 15, 1991, ''Two investigations later sub 9% was quoted as real-life results.) should be expected sooner or later ,but BS with Patrots in the past means shovels of salt to any claims coming out of Kiev PR offices.

Downing ballistic missiles has been a base requirement for long-range SAMS ,  S300 has been downing ballistic missiles since ever, as do newer Patriots over Saudi Arabia, Kinzhal is what looks like air-launched Iskander with more flexibilty to launch parameters and attack profile that is enabled by air launch. 

Some sort of training ground for kamikaze drones next to a drone exhibition, in the video drones take of from a fake Atmata turret and fly an obstacle course ending up in the rear of the Abrams mockup .

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

7-May

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Shutdown if it actually happened (you never know considering BS coming out of Kiev daily, typically in style we downed 30 of 36 missiles, and two lines later missiles struck in 18 cities) ,“Patriot is 41 for 42: 42 Scuds engaged, 41 intercepted,” George H.W. Bush on February 15, 1991, ''Two investigations later sub 9% was quoted as real-life results.) should be expected sooner or later ,but BS with Patrots in the past means shovels of salt to any claims coming out of Kiev PR offices.

You are aware that the Patriot missiles in use today and delivered to UA as well as the Radar and FCS are not the same as the one used in '91?
BTW the interception rate even in '91 has been pretty impressive concidering that at this point in time Patriot as a system has neither been designed nor intended to engage missiles. The rate you quoute is in relation to missiles fired. Only a small portion of all SCUDs fired actually where engaged.
Its the same with the current Iron Dome system. The hit rate is really good but only a fraction of the incoming rockets is actually engaged. They do a threat assesment and if the FCS thinks the rocket will land in a sparesly or unpopulated area they will not engage.

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Downing ballistic missiles has been a base requirement for long-range SAMS

Its pretty new actually. It really became a thing after `91.
Its also mostly a Western concern. Since the proliferation of IRBMs. Most nato countries don't field TBMs or IRBMs themself.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

7-May

Iirc, Matthew Moss (The Armorer's Bench) showed a picture of an Airtronics system in Ukraine. It may have been pre-war, brought in by foreign trainers.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

7-May

"Don't think we're on target yet, Sergei! Fire 500 meters North and West of current coordinates!"

Suspect that was part of the radio chatter when old reliable William Peter is called in.

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