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Ukraine weapons thread   General Military Discussion

Started 24/2/22 by gatnerd; 396544 views.
Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

6/5/23

As for light weight RPG7

IT seems no one is really buying in quantity the fancier light weight RPG7 , Airtronics also made a Light weight composite version that was also around 4.2kg , but none have been seen in the wild , and these carbon RPGs are made for a company that otherwise manufactures classic RPGs and carbon ones are only build in token numbers.

gatnerd

From: gatnerd

6/5/23

Patriot interception of Kinzhal air launched ballistic / 'hypersonic' missile:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-kyiv-claims-patriot-intercepted-kinzhal-air-launched-ballistic-missile

Next evolution of the Cope Cage; this one might actually work fairly well compared to previous generations of 'monkey bar' coverings.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/russian-tank-debuts-cope-cage-covered-in-explosive-reactive-armor

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

7/5/23

Shutdown if it actually happened (you never know considering BS coming out of Kiev daily, typically in style we downed 30 of 36 missiles, and two lines later missiles struck in 18 cities) ,“Patriot is 41 for 42: 42 Scuds engaged, 41 intercepted,” George H.W. Bush on February 15, 1991, ''Two investigations later sub 9% was quoted as real-life results.) should be expected sooner or later ,but BS with Patrots in the past means shovels of salt to any claims coming out of Kiev PR offices.

Downing ballistic missiles has been a base requirement for long-range SAMS ,  S300 has been downing ballistic missiles since ever, as do newer Patriots over Saudi Arabia, Kinzhal is what looks like air-launched Iskander with more flexibilty to launch parameters and attack profile that is enabled by air launch. 

Some sort of training ground for kamikaze drones next to a drone exhibition, in the video drones take of from a fake Atmata turret and fly an obstacle course ending up in the rear of the Abrams mockup .

schnuersi

From: schnuersi

7/5/23

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Shutdown if it actually happened (you never know considering BS coming out of Kiev daily, typically in style we downed 30 of 36 missiles, and two lines later missiles struck in 18 cities) ,“Patriot is 41 for 42: 42 Scuds engaged, 41 intercepted,” George H.W. Bush on February 15, 1991, ''Two investigations later sub 9% was quoted as real-life results.) should be expected sooner or later ,but BS with Patrots in the past means shovels of salt to any claims coming out of Kiev PR offices.

You are aware that the Patriot missiles in use today and delivered to UA as well as the Radar and FCS are not the same as the one used in '91?
BTW the interception rate even in '91 has been pretty impressive concidering that at this point in time Patriot as a system has neither been designed nor intended to engage missiles. The rate you quoute is in relation to missiles fired. Only a small portion of all SCUDs fired actually where engaged.
Its the same with the current Iron Dome system. The hit rate is really good but only a fraction of the incoming rockets is actually engaged. They do a threat assesment and if the FCS thinks the rocket will land in a sparesly or unpopulated area they will not engage.

Mr. T (MrT4) said:

Downing ballistic missiles has been a base requirement for long-range SAMS

Its pretty new actually. It really became a thing after `91.
Its also mostly a Western concern. Since the proliferation of IRBMs. Most nato countries don't field TBMs or IRBMs themself.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

7/5/23

Iirc, Matthew Moss (The Armorer's Bench) showed a picture of an Airtronics system in Ukraine. It may have been pre-war, brought in by foreign trainers.

farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

7/5/23

"Don't think we're on target yet, Sergei! Fire 500 meters North and West of current coordinates!"

Suspect that was part of the radio chatter when old reliable William Peter is called in.

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

7/5/23

Yes that is what i was alluding to, new Patriots in Saudi Arabia probably similar to those in Ukraine are taking down ballistic missiles as are plethora of  Soviet/Russian  SAMS since 2014 over Ukraine, no big deal by any stretch. these days.

But the Desert Storm BS claim ,i posted just so you have some reference on how seriously you have to tune the BS meter these days. it took two years before the Patriot fail rate from Desert Storm became news , before that PR was selling imaginary efficiency and MSM regurgitated it uncritically if anything things are even worse now , so take any claim with a shovel load of salt .

Mr. T (MrT4)

From: Mr. T (MrT4)

7/5/23

Like i mentioned the lightweight model is no where to be seen.

This base model is what you are seeing.

 LW composite model is nowhere to be seen , as arms for proxies and various terror groups first and foremost need to be cheap , no one cares for 30-40% lighter model

GS-777  is cca 4.2kg

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farmplinker2

From: farmplinker2

7/5/23

Thanks for the correction!

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